How Would I go About Getting This?

MrJay

MrJay

So I am looking to film on a certain location. and a lady gave me a form I need to fill out, and I told her it was a student film for non-commercial use, so I'm getting to use the location free of charge.

So I filled out the form and at the end it says I will need a certificate of insurance. How would I go about getting this? And what type of insurance will I need? I'm only 21 and know nothing how about how to go about this process.
 
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MrJay said:
So I filled out the form and at the end it says I will need a certificate of insurance. How would I go about getting this? And what type of insurance will I need? I'm only 21 and know nothing how about how to go about this process.
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Now is a good time (and age) to learn about this process.
I have used http://www.filmemporium.com/ for years.
This one http://www.barrowgroup.com in in GA
http://www.filmins.com/
http://productioninsurance.com/
Some great options and info: http://www.filmins.com/

If it's a true student film (being done for a school) your school should
already have an insurance rider. It seems to me this is something
school should be teaching. Don't they?
 
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Thanks for the response. but haha you'd think they'd teach it! How much would it cost you think? I'm still young so obviously I'm not rolling in the benjamins.
 
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It always amazes me when film students do not learn the
fundamentals of filmmaking while going to school. What
the hell do schools teach? I’m so glad I didn’t go to school.

MrJay said:
How much would it cost you think?
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Now is a good time (and age) to learn about the process of
making a film - including how much insurance costs. Click
on the links, get the contact info and ask them. That’s how
you learn since your school isn’t teaching you.
 
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directorik said:
It always amazes me when film students do not learn the
fundamentals of filmmaking while going to school.
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I said this before but film schools are a FARCE. Like having a Masters in History, English or Fine Arts, your chance of getting a job doing what you thought you'd be able to get after graduation is next to nill.

The only reason, and I repeat, ONLY reason these schools thrive is because there are a never ending supply of suckers willing to fork out a ridiculous sum of money for something they can learn from a book, their own camera and PAing on someone else's film shoot.

Film school grads are burdened twice -- not only they have to raise money for their film the same way the rest of us do, they're also saddled with a school loan.

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I just checked out Full Sail Film School (you see the banner flying in this forum all the time) $75,000 tuition for a BA in film. (I don't know if this school is even accredited by any recognized accreditation board. I checked out their "Hall of Fame" -- I did not see a film director listed.

:hmm:
 
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MrJay said:
Thanks for the response. but haha you'd think they'd teach it! How much would it cost you think? I'm still young so obviously I'm not rolling in the benjamins.
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from the film, etc insurance page of directorik's first link:

"How Much Does Film Production Insurance Cost?

While every project and policy are different, ballpark premium pricing for short term production insurance starts at $450.00 (commercial general liability of $1,000,000 policy limit). "
 
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Well I'm actually not in film school. I just told the people that so I could get the location for free lol. I agree though that film school is pointless. Waste of money.
 
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Well I'm actually not in film school. I just told the people that so I could get the location for free lol. I agree though that film school is pointless. Waste of money.
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This is what makes things difficult for the people that come after you. If the owners find out you lied you may not be prosecuted but the owners may never let anyone film there again or if they do they will charge a high fee. Do you really want to make films under false pretense?
 
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Actually, if you're at film school, generally the school has insurance to cover you, so you'd simply need a copy from your faculty.

In my experience, where we needed insurance for a 'hero' vehicle that would not be covered by the school's insurance, they were more than happy to help and advise us on who to get insurance from and how to get better deals.

There are companies that specialise in the kind of insurance you're looking for - it shouldn't be oerly expensive but IMO all productions should have proper insurance in place.
 
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wreckerman893 said:
This is what makes things difficult for the people that come after you. If the owners find out you lied you may not be prosecuted but the owners may never let anyone film there again or if they do they will charge a high fee. Do you really want to make films under false pretense?
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lol I wouldn't go there again to film.
 
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directorik said:
It always amazes me when film students do not learn the
fundamentals of filmmaking while going to school. What
the hell do schools teach? I’m so glad I didn’t go to school.


Now is a good time (and age) to learn about the process of
making a film - including how much insurance costs. Click
on the links, get the contact info and ask them. That’s how
you learn since your school isn’t teaching you.
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A technical institute that offers a diploma in film may teach that, but a university offering a degree in film studies would not. Universities deal with more abstract topics that are the focus of professionals, as opposed to the nuts and bolts that the professionals would learn when they get their first job.
 
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Aspiring Mogul said:
A technical institute that offers a diploma in film may teach that, but a university offering a degree in film studies would not. Universities deal with more abstract topics that are the focus of professionals, as opposed to the nuts and bolts that the professionals would learn when they get their first job.
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This is not necessarily true, it completely depends on the school, the course etc.

As I said before, our school was very up-front about insurance, and was very helpful with all our insurance inquiries both in and out of class. Another local school takes insurance very seriously and spends a lot of time on the insurance necessities.

And both are 'universities'.

The reason 'MrJay' doesn't know it is not because his film school didn't teach it - he doesn't/didn't go to film school!
 
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It's my guess that an insurance policy for a student would be substantially cheaper once you've PROVED that you are indeed a student. And the policy would likely have the notation that you're a film school student as a caveat explaining the type of policy. Do you want to risk paying for a policy and then having the woman in charge of the desired location see that you lied to her? Insurance or not, she's going to slam the door in your face. BTW, actually attending film school (or even a weekend seminar) might have taught you the risks of pulling a fast scam like this.
 
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MrJay said:
Well I'm actually not in film school. I just told the people that so I could get the location for free lol. I agree though that film school is pointless. Waste of money.
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Seeing as everyone seems to be ignoring your question of cost, I may as well chime in. I have a production company and a $2M per occurrence/$4M aggregate policy that I pay yearly for to issue unlimited certificates. My premium is $2,407 per year.
 
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vicdoogan, post contact information to your agent\company. That seems a pretty good deal!


I got a quote for 1 to 10 days shooting short term production insurance for $1300

from

Giovanni Cuarez
American Entertainment Insurance Services
Hollywood Production Center, 1149 N. Gower St. Ste 202A
Hollywood, CA 90038
Phone: (323) 464-5144
Fax: (323) 464-7348
Email: gio@aeweb.com

Similar quote from
Tony Welch
Frankel & Associates
Entertainment Division
9233 W. Pico Blvd. Ste 226
Los Angeles, CA 90035
(o)310.271.5582 (f)310.887.1758
www.frankelinsurance.com
www.filmins.com

Didn't use either.. yet...
 
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wreckerman893 said:
This is what makes things difficult for the people that come after you. If the owners find out you lied you may not be prosecuted but the owners may never let anyone film there again or if they do they will charge a high fee. Do you really want to make films under false pretense?
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MrJay said:
lol I wouldn't go there again to film.
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Did this exchange make anyone else laugh?

For some reason it reminded me of this benjamin franklin quote

When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
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Screw future generations, lets vote ourselves some money and make a film
 
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