budget How much to do these?

Hello everyone,

First, the good news - some of my students have passed their bar exams and will be staying on as lawyers in my firm, even as the next group of students take their place. I have at least one more goal in Canada, for which I've got no results despite years of trying, and I've given myself five years to accomplish it - if nothing happens by then, I may retire; if something does happen, I may continue for 10 - 20 years, to finish my journey.

With this in mind, believe it or not, I'm thinking of filming some short scenes, just to get it out of my system. I've been typing about this for over 15 years, so I want to see if I really want to be a filmmaker after I retire from law. If not, I can still talk about it, for the time I'm around, and read and write books.

I'm therefore wondering if the experts can give their thoughts on this. I have the following scenes that have been buzzing around in my head.

Leisure Man

Years ago, I started a thread about people eating while talking to others, which is rude, because the others are not eating with him. Members of this forum hae suggested that is a sign of power, to show that those others have to organize their schedule around the person having his meal. From this, I have taken a character from the William Holden movie, "The Counterfeit Spy" where the British spymaster is eating breakfast and is a bit pompous.

Leisure Man would be a spy master, and there would be three scenes of him eating breakfast, dinner, and at a sauna/spa. In each scene, this pompous ass would be talking to others, and, when all three scenes are viewed, the audience would see he's talking on both sides of his mouth (contradictory statements). This would indicate hgw spooks use deception and falsehood to the outside world, though he is a dedicated professional. A few years ago, when I was at the AFM, I did a scene with someone who worked in the industry, and I found that to be an emotionally-powerful experience, so I would like to go through that again. I'm thinking of casting the proverbial British nobility or a Boston Brahman for Leisure Man.


Creator

This would be a conversation where a ship's captain would meet and talk to a representative of a highly advanced alien species. Again, I discussed this years ago, where he would be transported to a white space - which the alien says is null space - and discuss the nature of creation as well as the nature of God. In a different scene, that captain would have a further encounter with that alien, when they meet at a garden planet, which was paradise.


Enemy General (EG)

I haven't fleshed out this character. There would be at least one scene, where EG would be at the end of the war, sending out orders with his adjutant for their troops to hold the line. A soldier from the other side would then step into the scene, salute and apologize, saying that EG was now a prisoner. EG and the adjutant look around to see that they're surrounded, so they raise their hands. This is taken from a real scene in WW2, when a German general was captured even as he was directing the defensive forces.

In a follow up scene, the EG would realize they've been captured by juniors, so he keeps complaining as to how they're not fully trained. This is taken from an episode in Young Indiana Jones, where Indy and his colleague capture General von Lettow-Vorbeck, who rants and raves at them.



I am willing to pay standard rates for these read throughs. I'm also wondering, since these are just rehearsals, if one actor can play all of them, to be more cost efficient. I've never done this before, so I would welcome ideas and price quotes. Thank you very much.
 
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@directorik, I should apologize, not you, because I'm confusing the two. I'm thinking of short scenes with little or no props - like the improvs at the theatre that would be filmed.

I understand an actor would be $150 - $250 per day. What about a crew to shoot, say, two or three actors rehearsing for one day, and, if it becomes two days, would it be double or less than double.
A day rate is just that. No discounts for more days.

Figure the crew rates at between $100/day to $500/day. It depends (have
I used that before?) on their crew position. And how many you need for a
shoot like this depends on several factors - something I have written about
often. What you want to do could cost $2,500 or $7,500. It could also be...
I know that one of the reasons you want to do this is to see if you
really want to be a filmmaker. Filming a rehearsal/read-through won't
give you any reasonable look at filmmaking. You need to make a
short film.

But first you need to make a decision:
Do you want to be the producer?
Do you want to be the producer/writer?
Do you want to direct?
I remember at one point you were thinking about playing one of the parts.
Do you want to be the producer/writer/actor?

Making a short film can be done simply – no sets, few props. However
I suggest you choose ascene with three to five characters. You won't
get a feel for what itt akes to be a filmmaker with the three Leisure Man
scenes you have posted. Take those scenes, expand them a little and
include a couple more characters.

And get those time frames out of your head. Doing an exercise like this
will show you how long it takes to shoot even a simple scene. Not a
read-through or rehearsal.
Rik, I would like to avoid mission creep if possible - yes, I should go further, but i would just like to do the afore-mentioned simple stuff first. I can provide the scenes with the Creator and so on which have several characters speaking.

I don't want to be an actor, and I think I would like to be a Writer EP. That said, I would like to speak out a few lines in those scenes with a professional actors, just to get it out of my system. Then we can proceed to something more elaborate. I have fetishes, I guess.
 
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Rik, I would like to avoid mission creep if possible - yes, I should go further, but i would just like to do the afore-mentioned simple stuff first. I can provide the scenes with the Creator and so on which have several characters speaking.

I don't want to be an actor, and I think I would like to be a Writer EP. That said, I would like to speak out a few lines in those scenes with a professional actors, just to get it out of my system. Then we can proceed to something more elaborate. I have fetishes, I guess.
Off the top of my head:

Rent a meeting room in a hotel
Bring in someone who owns two or three cameras. $500
Two "crew" to set up some coffee and snacks. And help out with
the park scene. $250 each
A "director" to wrangle the day. $500

I'd say all in you're looking at a generous $2,500 for the people,
$150 for "craft service" and $500? for a hotel meeting room. Maybe
more if you want food on the table - which you can order from room
service.

I'd say the camera person is set at $500 with equipment (no lights)
but the director may do it for less and you can pay the PA's $150 each.

You will not experience anything like filmmaking. But you might satiate
your fetish.
 
My end of the year prediction:
Another three weeks of this.
Then four months until Mogul asks the "How much...?" question again.

Shocking how we all fall into this loop. This proves beyond a reasonable
doubt that I am crazy. I should have picked a different career. Is it too late
consider something else?
 
My end of the year prediction:
Another three weeks of this.
Then four months until Mogul asks the "How much...?" question again.

Shocking how we all fall into this loop. This proves beyond a reasonable
doubt that I am crazy. I should have picked a different career. Is it too late
consider something else?

It will happen again, but not in the context you and everyone else are thinking.

OK, $2,500.00 is nothing, so let's do it - does it have to be in LA and what's your time frame?

I will add scenes with Enemy General, because I just want to read some lines as him and as the other side -then the professional actors can take over.

I have written quite a few scenes, which would be short stories for my web series, but I was told to take larger steps and actually do full movies. With all the time that has gone by, however, the paradigm has shifted, so bigger budget movies may no longer be the right approach. The new paradigm hasn't quite settled in yet, but I should get moving.

By the way, my mentor, also a lawyer, has been pushing me to write my stories, and he's been saying I've been all talk and no action - why would anyone say that about me?
 
It will happen again, but not in the context you and everyone else are thinking.
Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
OK, $2,500.00 is nothing, so let's do it - does it have to be in LA and what's your time frame?
Councilor, $2,500 is not the final number for the shoot day. It isn't even
the total of my extemporaneous estimate. We have slipped right back
into that circle I told myself I was not going to engage in again.

This can be shot anywhere. We can shoot it in your office. I had never
seen peerspace.com (thanks indietalk) - it's a great resource. I can
always be involved as an on-line consultant. If you want me on set my
schedule is flexible with enough notice.

I have written quite a few scenes, which would be short stories for my web series, but I was told to take larger steps and actually do full movies. With all the time that has gone by, however, the paradigm has shifted, so bigger budget movies may no longer be the right approach.
This is something we have discussed often. You bounce back and forth
depending on who you talk to.

On this thread you said you want to shoot something to see if you really
want to be a filmmaker. But you don't want to put together a real film
shoot - you want to film a read-through. Your are told to make a short film.
You are told to make a web series. You are told to make a feature. But what
you want to do is film a read-through.

So do it!
 
@directorik, please check your email, thanks.

For those following along:

Several years ago I set up an "Aspiring Mogul" folder and directed all email from our Mogul there. And then I forgot about it. I finally clicked on the folder and there it was. Along with a couple from 2019 and one from 2020. No wonder he said "and, please, reply".
 
I don't want to be an actor ... I would like to speak out a few lines

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Your are told to make a short film.
You are told to make a web series.
You are told to make a feature.
But what you want to do is film a read-through.

You will not experience anything like filmmaking.
Sorry what was that? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK UP I CAN'T HEAR YOU

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With all the time that has gone by, however, the paradigm has shifted, so bigger budget movies may no longer be the right approach.

So your previous approach... was to jump right into a big budget movie with literally zero experience?

I would love to see you conquer one of the most competitive industries on the planet as a neophyte, you will inspire filmmakers everywhere with such a unbeliveable success story. Or you'll make the next "The Room" so either way it'll be fun to watch.

It's too bad the paradigm has shifted to filming read throughs, that would've been amazing.
 
This can be shot anywhere. We can shoot it in your office. I had never
seen peerspace.com (thanks indietalk) - it's a great resource.
I discovered it awhile back. If you need a conference room, a film location, or a rooftop for a wrap party, it's an amazing resource. No more cold calling businesses lol.
 
Now you all know why I haven't done any filming.
The dead horse has been beat over and over: if you want to know if you'd like filmmaking, just go make something. It doesn't even have to be good. Just shoot something. Anything. Chase your dog around the yard with your smartphone. Edit it into a montage with nice music. You'll find out real quick if you enjoy the process or not.
 
Or get with @Nate North to see how his AI could create a very short scene for you, at least this way you could see something on the screen with your dialogue and maybe even some fx. I don't see how a read through would serve much better, it's the same with an AI voice and some actual scenery. You mentioned a budget (roughly) and I think Nate might be able to work with that. I'm not suggesting he work free. And I know how people feel about AI here, but this is more like live-action storyboards, you know, just to see your work acted out for fun.
 
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