Download from the App Store for £179.99 ($299.99). Motion and Compressor are £29.99 ($49.99) each.
Anyone going to take the plunge?
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Download from the App Store for £179.99 ($299.99). Motion and Compressor are £29.99 ($49.99) each.
Anyone going to take the plunge?
One point of note that is worth mentioning: if Apple is indeed going to be the next generation of editing with the FCPX platform, the other NLE developers have learned a sacrificial lesson from Apple. Their client base cannot be abandoned during the switch to a newer technology and legacy versions must be compatible. It's now the law in that business.
The fact remains that Apple was behind with Final Cut, they're still behind, and other
manufacturers have been on the cutting edge of NLE technology, not Apple. The hole is deep. Can they redeem themselves in the future? Sure. Whatever product offers the most for the cheapest price wins, but expectations are higher than ever.
The fact remains that Apple was behind with Final Cut, they're still behind, and other
manufacturers have been on the cutting edge of NLE technology, not Apple. The hole is deep. Can they redeem themselves in the future? Sure. Whatever product offers the most for the cheapest price wins, but expectations are higher than ever.
I agree.
If you are a company with clients and alot of work coming in, with the expectations of your clients on your shoulders, do you think those clients are going to care that the new software is hinkey? They won't care. They still need to have this commercial spot at the station by this Friday. What do you mean you can't open the project?
You have all these necessities and commitments and you have to wait for Apple to make corrections? I'm not surprised at all that Adobe is offering specials. Business is business and if your products is not conducive to what the professionals are doing, simple economics say that you go with the product that does what you need, hopefully with something that makes things better. FCPX has yet to prove it is better. With all these complaints, Apple better get on the ball and move quickly to fix this problem.
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I'd like to hear who is using FCPX. I for one am using it. It has not (yet) crashed on me. I have a 2009 8-core running 10.6.8. I also bought Larry Jordans complete set of tutorials. It is amazing what is under the hood in FCPX.
I own and use FCP6 and currently finishing a 28 minute project for cable. (FCP6 is very buggy on 10.6. Did not buy FCP7 thinking I'd just wait for FCPX. I hated the fact that FCP6-7 only used 1.5 cores for processing and couldn't access more than 4GB of ram. So having software that can access all cores and memory is a major thing for me. I'm using my 8-core to it's full capacity.
I like FCPX.
I'm also one of those indie filmmakers who is not making money at my craft. My day job feeds me. I dream at night.
I own and use FCP6 and currently finishing a 28 minute project for cable. (FCP6 is very buggy on 10.6.
Did not buy FCP7 thinking I'd just wait for FCPX. I hated the fact that FCP6-7 only used 1.5 cores for processing and couldn't access more than 4GB of ram. So having software that can access all cores and memory is a major thing for me. I'm using my 8-core to it's full capacity.I like FCPX.
I'm also one of those indie filmmakers who is not making money at my craft. My day job feeds me. I dream at night.
I got a refund from Apple, bought the Adobe CS5.5 Production suite at 50% off and will be digging in to some editing over the next few months.
FCPX was locking up, freezing, and crashing on me. But I still have the app on my MacBook so I guess I can always mess around with it from time to time if need be. It may very well be an amazing reinvention of editing, just wasn't for me at this point in time.
FCPX was locking up, freezing, and crashing on me. But I still have the app on my MacBook so I guess I can always mess around with it from time to time if need be. It may very well be an amazing reinvention of editing, just wasn't for me at this point in time.
I'd like to hear who is using FCPX. I for one am using it. It has not (yet) crashed on me. I have a 2009 8-core running 10.6.8. I also bought Larry Jordans complete set of tutorials. It is amazing what is under the hood in FCPX.
I own and use FCP6 and currently finishing a 28 minute project for cable. (FCP6 is very buggy on 10.6.
I like FCPX.
I'm also one of those indie filmmakers who is not making money at my craft. My day job feeds me. I dream at night.
I agree that being able to use all cores and more memory than 4gigs is a huge issue. I'd have been extremely happy with the update if it only addressed that and incorporated newer codecs. It would have at least brought them up to par with Adobe, which what I've been using for the last two years. I was all ready move back to FCP, but the update just lost far too many features to even consider. Apple has shown their cards; They're moving towards the far larger consumer market. It makes perfect sense from a business standpoint, they just botched the way they announced their intentions. I have a serious doubt that they'll have Mac Pros in 10 years; forget pro applications. It's a niche market that they've decided to concede.
I don't think the volume is really as high as it seems. In the app store FCPX has just over 1700 reviews, with an average rating of 3 out of 5 stars. Now three stars ain't great, but it ain't that bad either - and it doesn't really tell the whole story:
736 4 & 5 star reviews
845 1 & 2 star reviews
So with all the bad press, with all the righteous indignation, with all the furor over FCPX almost as many users have given it a 4 or 5 star review as a one or two star review. In fact 561 people have given it a 5 star review vs. 701 one star - that's almost as many paying customers who think it's the best as think it's terrible. This is actually not uncommon with something like FCPX, the very things that make some people hate it are the things that make others love it (fascinating article on this phenomenon here http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-mathematics-of-beauty/), and it's exactly the typical approach apple takes with most of their products.
So it's roughly split in app store reviews, but even that's a small portion of FCP users - isn't the number of registered users something over 2 million? And that's just people who actually paid for it, I'm sure the total number of users is much higher. So we have a few hundred bad app reviews, plus maybe a hundred negative blog posts from editing pros... in other words we're currently hearing a small but very vocal minority which I don't believe represents the bulk of FCP users. I really don't think we'll know what the larger response to FCPX is until six months or a year down the line when we can get some real data on the number of people actually buying and using it.
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My exact wording was "refunds from PROFESSIONAL editors", not just anyone using the software. The functionality removed are things that a professional editor would need, not the average do-it-yourself filmmaker/editor.
The people returning the software and wanting refunds are the production companies that have to work with other facilities, especially audio post houses.
I am very specifically looking at this from the professional, as in we use this software to make a living angle. This version of Final Cut Pro is not acceptable for professional use.
And I agree with you entirely - within the context of "production companies that have to work with other facilities". I'm just saying that's only a small portion of the professional video market now, and probably shrinking as a percentage of people who make their living using FCP.
I think very few people on the high end of editing will use FCPX to make a living. They can't. If they can't send out their projects properly to visual FX companies, sound mixing, etc. then the software is useless to them.
Adobe will crack the high end professional market now. I never thought it would happen.
That's really the crux of the issue. even at my pitiful semi-pro level I have to send sound out to be mastered in Pro tools, I have to send it to somebody to color correct. Good editors can one man band that stuff and do a decent job, but for best results you have to give it to a specialist.
I really dont want to stir the pot here, but I would take those numbers with a grain of salt. Sonnyboo has made an excellent point..... Pro editors are not happy with this release with good reason. The majority of FCP editors I work with are jumping ship to Avid or Premiere. Most of them had the Adobe Suite already so its not like they are having to spend any money to switch..... you can even change the shortcuts to match FCP7 in one click.
Mac computers are marketed towards entry level users for the most part, granted some of the Mac apps are nice.
Most casual Mac users I know arent the most computer literate people, but they will argue to the death that anything made by Mr. Jobs is the best of the best.
I would bet just about anything that most of the people taking that poll are just chopping up clips from their iPhone or Bloggie cam.... "That was easy, this is the greatest editing software ever!"....
I do audio and visual effects work primarily, and I would welcome a shift away from FCP...
Mac computers are marketed towards entry level users for the most part, granted some of the Mac apps are nice.
Most casual Mac users I know arent the most computer literate people, but they will argue to the death that anything made by Mr. Jobs is the best of the best.
I would bet just about anything that most of the people taking that poll are just chopping up clips from their iPhone or Bloggie cam.... "That was easy, this is the greatest editing software ever!"....
I do audio and visual effects work primarily, and I would welcome a shift away from FCP...
FCP or no, I like OSX... a lot. I hope any future decline of professional products from Apple won't include the Mac Pro.
My PC crashed at least once an hour while editing years back, it's a bit of a nightmare thinking of having to go back to windows in the future haha.
My PC crashed at least once an hour while editing years back, it's a bit of a nightmare thinking of having to go back to windows in the future haha.
How long ago was that? I use both a Windows 7 workstation, and a Mac Pro at my work. The Mac Pro crashed yesterday; it's been weeks since I've encountered a crash with the Windows machine. Overall I find the stability to be about equal, Windows has come a long way.
So I guess I'm the only person here at IndieTalk using FCPX or the only one willing to admit it. But yes, I'm checking it out. I'm 2/3rd's through Larry Jordan's tutorials.
I certainly understand why the pros don't want to use it but I'm fascinated with FCPX. It is so different than FCP6-7 and it's very fast and background rendering is addictive. As I do more with it I'll keep you posted.
I certainly understand why the pros don't want to use it but I'm fascinated with FCPX. It is so different than FCP6-7 and it's very fast and background rendering is addictive. As I do more with it I'll keep you posted.
I don't see any reliability difference between Windows 7 and Snow Leopard. Both let me down from time to time.
I've been mucking around with it myself. The speed and background rendering is something that other NLE's already do, so that doesn't get points from me.
It's not horrible for what it is.
I've been mucking around with it myself. The speed and background rendering is something that other NLE's already do, so that doesn't get points from me.
It's not horrible for what it is.
I don't feel alone anymore. You're right it's not horrible.
I really want to understand what it can do. It must be bringing out the "tool freak" in me.(carpentry business)
I also downloaded the whole Premiere suite(trial) but have not done much with it. At first glance it looks like a FCP6-7 clone. I'm sure it's great software. It's just money is very tight right now so I'm in a holding pattern with regard to the Adobe suite.
That's what I hear. I switched early 2008 I think? Maybe 2007?
As positive the reports are, a big change like that is never fun. Oh well, tackle it if it ever (probably) comes.