Movies with Sex and Nudity.

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Hi friends i wanted to know one thing as i have read that young generation of US loves movies with Voilence , sex and nudity.

i wanted to know is it true????if there is a movie with vloilence and sex and nudity (as per the demand of script not just for the sake of showing all this) people will love it more then any other genre??

is it the case in other countries too???like in France, Germany, UK, Hongkong, Canda and Italy and other countries???

does the young generation really loves it????


WHat are your comments???


ADEEL AKHTER

www.indie-filmmaking.blogspot.com

 

[WideShot]

Thanks Doug, well summed up

I've avoided commenting, partly because I don't like being nagged... but also because I don't like producers who load their films with sex and violence in order to make sales.

I'm not anti-sex or violence in films, I just like it to be an essential part of the story.

It strikes me as cynical and exploitative to make films only with a view of $$$$... and, if that's the objective, then hardcore pornography is the most profitable video production industry in the world. So, why bother to do anything else?

There's a graffiti artist called Banksy, his take is this... make things you believe in and success either follows or it doesn't, but fame and money shouldn't be the driving force.

I've another friend in the industry, whose take is: money is attracted to success, not the other way round.

That's my take.

I'd rather be poor and true to the things I believe in; rather than just another media whore.

Oh come on. Looking at what is going to do better in the marketplace before deciding to make a new product is only good business sense. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it unless you decide to make a genre film that you know nothing about.

And to be honest, I don't buy the whole "I'd rather go broke..." bit. The starving artist routine I don't buy. There's a lot of things I could do to go broke including sitting on my butt doing nothing that I would prefer doing than the enormous task of writing/directing/producing/representing a movie, IF there was only the prospect of going broke.

I don't care whether everyone here wants to make films with other people's money that make very little or no money. I say do it. But for everyone who wants to make something that might have a chance at securing a good distribution deal, and more importantly, might be seen by a sizable audience, it is necessary to study what works and what doesn't. Bend the rules, break them, whatever, but to pretend there is not a fairly well-defined hierarchy of what sells and what doesn't is just plain ignorant. I see that everyday, but I also see indies who CLEARLY understand what works and what doesn't, and they have shaped their style and storytelling to a very polished technique... oddly enough about that time name talent want to work with them, producers want to finance them, and they start making money.

And, in line with "making money", I think its pretty clear if we wanted to make a million dollars, we'd all be better off getting an Master's degree and getting a 9-5. Many of us are not cut out for that, but are willing to take a chance on doing what they really love and enjoy for a living, if it has the potential to provide at least enough for us to survive while we do it. But to blindly start spending money after money and shrugging it off when it doesn't pan out because: A) It has no marketability B) It is not incredibly innovative or original and C) It does not have the polish most high end films have, is simply, IMO, a bit mad. Not that mad artists haven't found success in the past, they just usually end up drunken penniless messes by the end of their lives.

 

[directorik]

I think there are a lot of people who feel the way clive does. I buy it.

I've been called a media whore (and I know clive isn't calling me one)
for most of my career by people who really would rather earn a living
doing something non-film related and make movies they deeply believe
in on the side. I have always taken any - legal - job I've been offered.

I have been that cynical, exploititive movie maker, making movies only
with a view of money. I've written TV - something I am not at all interested
in or passionated about - with only money in mind. I have worked on
reality shows - something I have only contempt for - with only money
in mind. And (shock!!) I have made some hardcore porn, too. Back when
the money was great.

But I deeply believe there are a lot of people like clive who would rather go poor.

 

[VPTurner]

VPTurner

what is garner industry

...

"Garner" is to aquire or to get. "Industry" is referring to the film industry. I watch many movies a year from all different genres, some to enjoy, some to learn from, others just because the box art and one-line caught my interest. Some movies that I pass over during the year because others grabbed my more immediate attention get Academy Award nominations and awards. Anything that "garners" this type of recognition most definitely deserves my attention as a student of film. "Garner" as a verb in this context means "acquire or deserve by one's efforts or actions".

Some movies that I purchased/watched only after the recognition they received:

Brokeback Mountain
Pan's Labyrinth
No Country for Old Men
There Will Be Blood
Juno

 

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spinner

thats wrong check out my first post i have mentioned voilence, sex, and nudity according to the demand of the story..thats an elegation on me :d


lolzz

well i know thats it is the basic thing to have a story.....just was worried that movies like that might be completley banned......{thats was the worry at earlier stage only}






ADEEL AKHTER

www.indie-filmmaking.blogspot.com

 

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Pink Guy


you are really too late

 

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WideSHot thanks for saying

Looking at what is going to do better in the marketplace before deciding to make a new product is only good business sense.

you can say it was my hearts voice

 

[oakstreetphotovideo]

Pink Guy

you are really too late

It's never too late for a good joke.

 

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DIRECTORIK

I have made some hardcore porn, too. Back when
the money was great.

THATS BIG NEWS FOR ME []


well i know this field has lot of money but no respect in majority of the countries......looks awfull when we say i am a porn filmmaker.


but directorik..dont take it on heart what i said. 1 or 2 attemts are ok.after all its a completley different experiment...





ADEEL AKHTER

www.indie-filmmaking.blogspot.com

 

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well oakstreetphotovideo i believe that every genre has a big market and distributor too.personally im very much interested in comedy, zombie films and suspence thrillers.....


i hope these genres have a big market.....

the only thing is to get a correct distributor who dont cheat us.........







ADEEL AKHTER

www.indie-filmmaking.blogspot.com

 

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Oh you are online oakstreetphotovideo

 

[clive]

I think there are a lot of people who feel the way clive does. I buy it.

I've been called a media whore (and I know clive isn't calling me one)
for most of my career by people who really would rather earn a living
doing something non-film related and make movies they deeply believe
in on the side. I have always taken any - legal - job I've been offered.

I have been that cynical, exploititive movie maker, making movies only
with a view of money. I've written TV - something I am not at all interested
in or passionated about - with only money in mind. I have worked on
reality shows - something I have only contempt for - with only money
in mind. And (shock!!) I have made some hardcore porn, too. Back when
the money was great.

But I deeply believe there are a lot of people like clive who would rather go poor.

It may sound odd, but I differentiate between "gun for hire" work and what I turn out as a production company. If I was a DOP, I'd do exactly the same as you have Rik and take whatever work was offered me... I probably would have done the same as a director, if I'd lived in an area where there was work to pick up. Hell, I don't see a lot of difference between shooting an exploitation movie for a producer and flying to Mexico to shoot a corporate video about sanitary towels (which I did do! LOL).

Where I've chosen to draw the line is in my creative work... I could have written for the soaps in the UK and travelled the usual career ladder for writers in the UK. Soap, get agent, get better TV drama work, write feature. But I just couldn't face it. I spent my years as a media whore writing radio commercials, film was my escape from using my writing ability to sell carpets and used Fords.

However, that choice as cost me... one of the things about being a whore, is you do get paid and when you say "I'd rather be poor than do X" well the result is you end up poor. Which I both have been and am.

 

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well atleast you people are lucky living in west.can word in HARDCORE movies to save some money [:d]

 

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waiting for my reply of

well oakstreetphotovideo i believe that every genre has a big market and distributor too.personally im very much interested in comedy, zombie films and suspence thrillers.....


i hope these genres have a big market.....

the only thing is to get a correct distributor who dont cheat us.........

 

[Jijenji]

Oh come on. Looking at what is going to do better in the marketplace before deciding to make a new product is only good business sense. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it unless you decide to make a genre film that you know nothing about.

And to be honest, I don't buy the whole "I'd rather go broke..." bit. The starving artist routine I don't buy. There's a lot of things I could do to go broke including sitting on my butt doing nothing that I would prefer doing than the enormous task of writing/directing/producing/representing a movie, IF there was only the prospect of going broke.

I don't care whether everyone here wants to make films with other people's money that make very little or no money. I say do it. But for everyone who wants to make something that might have a chance at securing a good distribution deal, and more importantly, might be seen by a sizable audience, it is necessary to study what works and what doesn't. Bend the rules, break them, whatever, but to pretend there is not a fairly well-defined hierarchy of what sells and what doesn't is just plain ignorant. I see that everyday, but I also see indies who CLEARLY understand what works and what doesn't, and they have shaped their style and storytelling to a very polished technique... oddly enough about that time name talent want to work with them, producers want to finance them, and they start making money.

And, in line with "making money", I think its pretty clear if we wanted to make a million dollars, we'd all be better off getting an Master's degree and getting a 9-5. Many of us are not cut out for that, but are willing to take a chance on doing what they really love and enjoy for a living, if it has the potential to provide at least enough for us to survive while we do it. But to blindly start spending money after money and shrugging it off when it doesn't pan out because: A) It has no marketability B) It is not incredibly innovative or original and C) It does not have the polish most high end films have, is simply, IMO, a bit mad. Not that mad artists haven't found success in the past, they just usually end up drunken penniless messes by the end of their lives.

I think it might be best to just write a good story first. Then, you can rewrite it to make it more marketable, or the director will have his/her take on how to make it more appealing, or it will get polished even more in editing.

Good story first. Just my take.

 

[Jijenji]

ad...I think Clive and probably others have tried to give you some advice on here. I think you should listen to them, not just what they said about movies either. It really isn't a good idea to insult people, or say anything that might be interpreted as an insult, especially when they take time out of their lives to answer your questions and/or contribute to your thread.

Furthermore, I think several people have told you many times that many "waiting for my reply" comments are unacceptable. They are likely to annoy people, and annoyed people are a lot less likely to answer you again.

 

[oakstreetphotovideo]

I think it might be best to just write a good story first. Then, you can rewrite it to make it more marketable, or the director will have his/her take on how to make it more appealing, or it will get polished even more in editing.

funny story: I was hanging out with one of my editor friends while he was editing a drama about a gangster. The director was also there and my buddy said to the director, "I think we need a sex scene here". The director agreed, and walked out. Soon the director came back with a sex scene. He had gotten his lead male character, gone down to the local college with some cash, rented a hotel room and shot a sex scene for the movie. Me and the editor both were a little stunned. I guess that's what you call a "can do" attitude.

 

[directorik]

cilve

If I'm reading this correctly at one time you were okay being a "media whore"
and would rather be one than be poor. But at some point that changed and now
you would rather be poor than, for example, then go back to writing radio commercials?

Doug,

I've done the exact same thing. On my first feature a distributor told me he could
sell it if there was more nudity. So I hired a few body doubles, shot some random
nudity, cut it in and sold the film. It wasn't my "vision" of my film and it had
nothing at all to do with the story, but it made the product sellable.

I was called a whore and a sell out. I cashed the check and proudly said, "Yes I am!"

 

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Jijenji

i never meant to insult them i cannot think of it.i just reposted that post because that was important for me and i had posted 3 or 4 posts in a row so i though any expert might leave it by mistake so its better to place it again at a difference from my all posts.


a person like me who is 0 in knowledge cannot even think to insult the experts....just wanted to make sure any expert dont miss out because of 3 or 4 posts in order posted by me.......


i hope you have understood my intentions

 

[Jijenji]

funny story: I was hanging out with one of my editor friends while he was editing a drama about a gangster. The director was also there and my buddy said to the director, "I think we need a sex scene here". The director agreed, and walked out. Soon the director came back with a sex scene. He had gotten his lead male character, gone down to the local college with some cash, rented a hotel room and shot a sex scene for the movie. Me and the editor both were a little stunned. I guess that's what you call a "can do" attitude.

Yeah that is good!

I'm kinda in the middle ground on this subject. At heart, I am with Clive on this one, but I also take sides with Rik and Wideshot from a pragmatic standpoint, and here's why: Even if money isn't your bottom line, I think if you have passion and really believe in what you are doing, you want as many people to see your work as possible. In order for that to happen, you have to make it marketable. Everybody wins that way. You make your film and can get it out, and the producers are happy because they bring in the money.

 

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directorik

IF IT IS REALLY TRUE THEN I THINK I MUST STOP IT HERE.BECAUSE I DONT THINK I WILL BE ABLE TO SHOOT THESE TYPE OF SCENES........MAY BE I AM NOT THAT GUTSY...
IS THAT EVERY DISTRIBUTOR ASKS IN GENERAL??OR THERE ARE ONLY FEW IDIOTS ASKING FOR IT???

I've done the exact same thing. On my first feature a distributor told me he could
sell it if there was more nudity. So I hired a few body doubles, shot some random
nudity, cut it in and sold the film. It wasn't my "vision" of my film and it had
nothing at all to do with the story, but it made the product sellable.

I was called a whore and a sell out. I cashed the check and proudly said, "Yes I am!"

oakstreetphotovideo

tHE FUNNY STORY WAS A HORRO ONE FOR ME........HOW COULD HE JUST PLACE A SCENE WITHOUT ANY REASON AND LOGIC????

I HOPE WE DONT HAVE ANYONE LIKE THAT IN THIS COMMUNITY []






ADEEL AKHTER

www.indie-filmmaking.blogspot.com