Movies with Sex and Nudity.

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Hi friends i wanted to know one thing as i have read that young generation of US loves movies with Voilence , sex and nudity.

i wanted to know is it true????if there is a movie with vloilence and sex and nudity (as per the demand of script not just for the sake of showing all this) people will love it more then any other genre??

is it the case in other countries too???like in France, Germany, UK, Hongkong, Canda and Italy and other countries???

does the young generation really loves it????


WHat are your comments???


ADEEL AKHTER

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Thanks Doug, well summed up

I've avoided commenting, partly because I don't like being nagged... but also because I don't like producers who load their films with sex and violence in order to make sales.

I'm not anti-sex or violence in films, I just like it to be an essential part of the story.

It strikes me as cynical and exploitative to make films only with a view of $$$$... and, if that's the objective, then hardcore pornography is the most profitable video production industry in the world. So, why bother to do anything else?

There's a graffiti artist called Banksy, his take is this... make things you believe in and success either follows or it doesn't, but fame and money shouldn't be the driving force.

I've another friend in the industry, whose take is: money is attracted to success, not the other way round.

That's my take.

I'd rather be poor and true to the things I believe in; rather than just another media whore.
 
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In a more general sense, the best piece of business advice I ever got (in my opinion) was "You are not in business to make money, you are in business to provide a product or service to your customer. If you focus on providing the best possible product or service, you will make money as a consequence."

The flip side of that would be if you focus too hard on making money, you will not be focused on the quality of your product, which will make for a short business career.

It's too bad all the good movie producers are so afraid to make explicit sexual content. I have nothing against a good sexy movie, but all of the porn producers are bottom feeders who turn out nothing but garbage, as fast as they can.

Doug
 
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http://the-numbers.com/market/MPAARatings/

Note the "Average Gross" category.

http://the-numbers.com/charts/thisweek.php

How many of these are your typical R rated violence and sex fests?

http://the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/annual/2007.php

Notice anything about the genres and ratings of the top films sold on DVD last year?

My point is, overall, non R-rated films pull in grosses on average 2-to-1. Why? The audience is that much larger. And when you have a film that appeals to all generations, like an adventure blockbuster like Indiana Jones, its going to really kick butt. IMO Napoleon Dynamite is exactly this type of film.
 
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You are correct, Wideshot, in that many of the low budget films (including XXX) are targeting niche audiences. I also think they oversaturate their own markets ... i.e. they are idiots. Rather than turning out what would be a block buster in their corner of the market, they turn out 300 pieces of crap. (Just my opinion, of course)

Doug
 
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oakstreetphotovideo


Thanks a lot . you guided me a lot.ANd even your saying were really very correct to provide aproduct.and focus on that issue





ADEEL AKHTER

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WIDE SHOT

my first language isnt English so sometimes i get confused. So can you explain what you said???


and oakstreetphotovideo what do you mean by

You are correct, Wideshot, in that many of the low budget films (including XXX) are targeting niche audiences. I also think they oversaturate their own markets ... i.e. they are idiots. Rather than turning out what would be a block buster in their corner of the market, they turn out 300 pieces of crap. (Just my opinion, of course)

Doug
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Can you explain that a little???. i mean what these filmmakers do??and how the movies can be block buster in their corner???by corner you mean their region???



Regards




ADEEL AKHTER

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Let me try to explain. The general population is well served by Hollywood's movies which are made based on an old formula that seems to work. When Hollywood finds something that fills theaters, they recycle it until we can't stand it anymore.

On the other hand, Hollywood won't bother with movies that will only appeal to a smaller group of movie watchers. It simply doesn't make sense to invest 50 million dollars in a movie that may not even gross 50 million at the box office. Those, smaller markets (groups of viewers) are what we call niche markets. They may not be worth millions, but for a small producer, a few hundred thousand dollars profit is not bad, so smaller producers often target these niche markets. Documentaries are probably one example of a niche, because they generally don't draw huge audiences.

To explain what I mean by over-saturating a market, let me use an example. Let's say you make movies about ocean surfing. There are about 10,000 people who buy your first movie, and they really like it, so you have a pretty good shot at selling your next surfing movie. However, lets say you start turning out a new surfing movie every 2 weeks and you make them as fast and as cheap as you can. It won't take long before your loyal customers will hate you for turning out garbage, and your market will become saturated with so many movies that your sales of each movie will be low. Maybe you'll sell 5000 of the first bad movie, but only 1000 people come back for the next one and only 100 are interested in buying a 4rth one.
Now, had you waited 6 months to come out with the next movie, and you did an even better job than the first, you might get even more sales than the first one. The key here is that you're one of very few people making surfing movies, so your market is likely to remain loyal, as long as you don't start dumping more movies on them than they can buy. When sales drop off because there is too much product and not enough demand, the market is saturated.

I hope that helps. I do have some experience in selling to niche markets, both in software and in entertainment. If you know a specific market really well, and you can deliver a product that is better than the other people serving that market, you've got a pretty decent chance of building a reputation with that group of people that can garner repeat business from them. You may be stuck self-distributing, though, because most distributors want to deal in large volumes.

It's like someone said a long time back on one of your threads. You must identify who is going to buy your movie. This is all part of that.

Doug
 
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Actually, you hit on a really important point here Doug, which relates to how small production companies survive.

When people think about the movie industry they think about the huge amounts of money that circulate around hollywood and assume that the business just naturally attracts money. They therefore see "making the right movie" as central to the development of their business.

However, movie making is a "high risk" business venture and even the people at the top can't predict whether a movie will actually perform in the market or not.

Now, most indies are running production companies as small businesses... or at the level below that, holding down day jobs to support themselves. So, the bread and butter work is often either corporate video, advertising or selling your particular skills as DOP, gaffer, editor etc into the larger industry.

I've always believed that a clever film producer should really lock onto a niche market... and produce DVD products for that niche market. In other words, turn your hobbies into a cash cow. Surfing is a great example... you create a non-fiction DVD franchise, that you sell direct to the users.

This cash cow, fact based DVD business is designed to provide a stable income, whilst you develop feature films that will stand up in the market place.
 
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The discussion is getting more interested. First of all Clive can you tell whats is non-fiction DVD franchise



Well

oakstreetphotovideo can you tell me how can me make a market segmentation and make a movie for niche market?i mean i normally see many hollywood movie they include all genres like comedy, action, horror, etc etc....so how can i differentiate a niche market for myself?

or do you mean to make niche market on the basis of topics like ocean surfing

because ocean surfing cant be a genre.it can be counted as a Topic. so please guide me about how to differntiate aniche market for a movie??(not a DOC)


Well the topic has got more interesting and knowledgeable for me and i am thankfull to every one of you for it.
 
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You can say the question arises
i know a specific market really well
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because i am not even thinking about my country because distributors ar not interested and dvd sales will be done by me .. more over we dont have a trend of buying a DVD.so my basic aim will be foreign markets. so obviously you people can guide me alot as you people have great knowledge and experience.........


so waiting for the reply

Regards







ADEEL AKHTER

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non fiction = a documentary or training video, or any film where the content is true, rather than drama

DVD = a product that is sold only on DVD

franchise = in the film industry a franchise is any film (drama or non-drama) where there are more than one films on the same theme or story ... so, Star Wars is a franchise... but so is "Pet Grooming For Fun and Profit" if there are a series of titles "Pet Grooming 1 - How to clip a poodle" "Pet Grooming 2 - Long Haired Dogs, dos and don't" etc etc
 
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clive said:
Thanks Doug, well summed up

I've avoided commenting, partly because I don't like being nagged... but also because I don't like producers who load their films with sex and violence in order to make sales.

I'm not anti-sex or violence in films, I just like it to be an essential part of the story.

It strikes me as cynical and exploitative to make films only with a view of $$$$... and, if that's the objective, then hardcore pornography is the most profitable video production industry in the world. So, why bother to do anything else?

There's a graffiti artist called Banksy, his take is this... make things you believe in and success either follows or it doesn't, but fame and money shouldn't be the driving force.

I've another friend in the industry, whose take is: money is attracted to success, not the other way round.

That's my take.

I'd rather be poor and true to the things I believe in; rather than just another media whore.
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Well said.
 
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Well clive i am confused about making or discovering a niche market actually.may be i habe been unable to make you understand what my question really is


i it so???

ADEEL AKHTER

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There are two different kinds of markets for products MASS and NICHE

MASS MARKET is a product designed to make sales to almost everyone (ie Hollywood products, which sell all over hte world)

A NICHE MARKET is when the product is designed to appeal to a small, but well defined group

So, for instance, horror is a niche market, which traditionally has been good to indies... because although not everyone want to watch horror, horror fans love the stuff... and they don't care that it doesn't have any stars or a plot or anyone with any acting talent... or the ability to focus a camera... it just has to entertain them.

Now, horror is a big market, a world wide market... but still a niche market.

There are loads of niche markets... world cinema is a niche market. Not everyone wants to watch foreign language films (ask Steven Soderberg about that LOL)... but that doesn't means to say there isn't an audience.

Every niche market has different distribution systems and different marketing strategies.
 
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You are correct; a niche market is not a genre, it is more like a demographic, or special interest. I'm afraid I cannot guide you to find your niche. That is beyond my scope of knowledge. I sort of stumbled into my markets by doing what I do and finding out, through discussions with other people, that people would be willing to buy my product. That is probably the only guidance I can offer; to be successful with a special interest group, you must know that group well, which means you are probably a member of the group, or at least close to them. In my example about surfing movies, the producer would probably be a surfer him/her self who also has a knack for cinematography. Maybe the first product release is a compilation of the surfer's old movies, featuring a bunch of friends.

Finally, I wasn't suggesting that this was the path you should take. I was simply explaining what I meant by a niche market. In these small market segments, you're almost always stuck self-distributing. This may not be an approach that works for you. I have made enough money on ventures like this to pay for lots of equipment, but I would have trouble building a self-supporting business around it.

Doug
 
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It is not possible to tell you how to 'stair step' your way to a blockbuster film. If there was a formula, everyone would try do it and the industry would be worse for it.

What you have to do initially is have a good story. All the violence and nudity in the world won't make your movie good if there is no story. Pornography is nudity with no purpose, no story, no substance and consequently, no respect.

When you say the U.S. loves movies with sex and violence, you speak in such general terms that it seems that you might think that this is all you need for a good film. It's not. So the last thing you want to do is just put sex and violence into a movie and try to sell it to a western audience. I think you will find quickly that this is not enough.

Also, since you are from Pakistan, you also have to remember that the cultural differences and cultural misunderstandings also take part in how you interpret the tastes of western audiences. Nothing is so cut and dried that you can say: American audiences like sex and violence, therefore all I need to do is put this in a movie. Again there is no formula.

You also have to recognize the draw that certain actors have. Remember if lots of girls want to see Matt Damon, more people are drawn to the film whether there is violence and sex or not. An example is Ocean's Eleven.

The best thing you can do is have a good story and tell it well. Western audiences will give almost any story a first look. Either it has what it takes to sell or it doesn't. If it doesn't, its all over.

Movies get banned when they cross the line of 'good taste'. What 'good taste' is, is relative and already touched upon here by oakstreetphotvideo. Even if it appears that this is the common point in western movies, remember that there are many blockbuster films that don't focus on sex and violence that do well. It is much harder to define 'cool' when speaking of filmmaking.

It will not matter if your film has action, blood, revenge, sex,nudity,and violence. No one will care if the story is not up to par. They will find something else to watch.

-- spinner :cool:
 
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I really came to this thread to late. It seems everyone got all serious and there are no more jokes left to be made.

But as has been stated over and over again in different ways. Make a great story and it won't matter if you have violence, sex, or nudity. That being said, as directorik's list pointed out, most great stories come with some sort of violence in them.
 
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