It 2017

What did you guys think of "It" if you all went to see it? It looks like it had a very good weekend. What do you all think? A bit cliche? Nightmare on Elm Street rip off? Nothing like the series?
 
The movie seems to be purposely vague on a lot of plot points, but perhaps that's why it works.
ANNABEL2 had some vague plot points as well. Obviously both did amazingly well at the boxoffice, and in fact "IT-Second chapter" is sure to follow. I agree that "IT" was a different spin on "Nightmare on Elm Street", perhaps with a little "Goonies" thrown in.
 
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While I don't really buy into this universe, I thought the kid actors were very good. The clown scenes were pretty dang good, too. Pretty good movie.

For whatever reason, I don't relate well with most of King's supernatural stuff. On the other hand, I love certain works, like CREEPSHOW, DEAD ZONE, CUJO, MISERY, and SHAWSHANK.
 
I think it's a good remake. But also it would have been better if the film was based more on psychology - that is the kids are seeing the clown the more they fear him, so it's like something supernatural, not tangible. So they see it but it can't kill them. It plays with their mind unless they are not afraid anymore. That would make more sense to me.
 
Again, the movie is well done, the kids are great, and the clown kills are spooky. Aside from the kills and torment, what makes the clown interesting? Nothing I can think of. Not even those teeth from the ALIEN movies. I have not read the book or seen the other version. Perhaps chapter 2 will reveal something that motivates this character.

I was telling my kids, I didn't see a plausible explanation as to why X-Men had evolved into what they were, but that the character motivations helped me through that. Young Magneto seeing his Jewish parents taken away by the Nazis was a hugely compelling scene.

Hard to compare X-MEN to IT, but I don't understand the clown's purpose, yet. I think that would be somewhat important to convey to any viewer that didn't know the text version. Now, I'm going to wait a year or two for Chapter 2, and I still don't know if it will give me a reason to care about why this clown character does what he does.

Hard for me to ever buy into the "pure evil" arguement. Aliens (from that series) kill to defend or reproduce. Jaws likes to eat. Freddy was burned by parents, so he goes after their kids. I get all of that from the first chapter of any series. Yeah, yeah, the fire happened. I need more than that, before waiting a year or two.
 

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I haven't seen "IT" as of yet. As a fan of the book (and quite disappointed by the horrible 1990 mini-series) I'm a harder sell. The trailer has made me curious, however, as it hits a number of the important pieces of the book.
 
I read It in my 20's. It was the 1st horror book I read & I haven't picked up any other one because my imagination made me lose sleep for a long time after.
The final showdown was bit of a let down, but the book as a whole is incredible.
 
Hard for me to ever buy into the "pure evil" arguement. A

Well, that's all it is for this character. I won't spoil it for you, in case you care, but in the book the backstory/motivation is pretty damn ridiculous and clearly written by a man high on cocaine.


As for the new movie, it's pretty friggin bad. Nothing but jump scares and nostalgia. Nearly every scene begins AND ends the same, with a slow build, leading to a LOUD SOUND EFFECT!! KAAAAAH!

It looks good visually and the child actors did a great job, but ultimately it wasn't a good movie.
 
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What's the motivation for a serial killer? Most times it is something ridiculous and something a normal human being would never pursue. Sometimes the reason to kill doesn't have to make logical sense at all.
 
What's the motivation for a serial killer? Most times it is something ridiculous and something a normal human being would never pursue.

You don't know the meaning of the word 'ridiculous' do you?


Sometimes the reason to kill doesn't have to make logical sense at all.


Well, it DOES, but that's beside the point. We're not even talking about the same thing here.

"It was a mysterious evil being from an unknown realm/dimension outside the regions of space. It's natural enemy is "The Turtle," another ancient 'Macroverse' dweller (a giant turtle) who created our Universe. The Turtle and It are eternal enemies in a battle of creation against consumption."

It describes itself as the "superior" being, with the Turtle as someone "close to It's superiority" and humans as mere "toys." It states that it prefers to kill and devour children, not by nature, but rather because children's fears are easier to manipulate and then interpret into a physical form. Thus children are easier to fill with terror, which It says is akin to salting the meat.

It makes logical sense within the story, but it's a dumb idea to write. (only because it's so tonally different than everything else in the story)
 
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What's the motivation for a serial killer?

Tons! Possession, revenge, neglect, abuse, sexual gratification from torture/murder, mommy/daddy psychological gender and sexual issues, terrorism, ritualism, elitist indifference, and on and on. A good antogonist is well motivated. Look at Norman Bates, from PSYCHO. His dominant mother personality took over to keep him clean from supposedly nasty women.

A good serial killer will have a perspective, period. Hannibal Lecter certainly does. Kevin Spacey's character in SE7EN had very strong convictions. So did Charlize Theron, in MONSTER. So, what is this clown's perspective? I couldn't tell you.

Of course, I don't need a lot of explanation as to why someone kills, but I need a shitload of info and motivation, if I'm to believe that a supernatural evil has manifested itself physically. If I don't believe, the movie doesn't work for me.
 
I know the series, I used to watch it as a kid back in the 90s. It scared the shit out of me. I was asking why he does choose only children to kill. There was never a backstory in the movie or series.
 
I know the series, I used to watch it as a kid back in the 90s. It scared the shit out of me. I was asking why he does choose only children to kill. There was never a backstory in the movie or series.

Again...

Why not do something bold and adventurous… READ THE BOOK!

If you would to this, you'd discover that Bob Grey/Pennywise the Dancing Clown isn't human. It's a demonic shapeshifter that feeds off fear, especially kids, and reappears every three decades. So, any argument about motivation as a serial killer is completely irrelevant because this is a demon.

There's always so much more to the plot in a book than in the movie interpretation of the book.
 
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I enjoyed the movie although the characters were over the top.

A thirteen year old girl with more courage than a grizzled solider.
A bully that doesn't just beat up kids.. but goes around mutilating people like he's the joker.

It was a bit much. And they made a big deal about AIDs in the middle which really screwed up the ending for me. But overall I enjoyed the film.

I like the beginning, it did a great job setting up the rest of the film... but the rest of the film never lived up to that intro.
 
I rewatched it today with my wife. She hated every second of it, but my new take on it is that it's a good adventure film, albeit a TERRIBLE horror film.

Still better than the original or the miniseries though.
 
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