I have an idea ...

One of the biggest challenges for indie filmmakers is to establish a fan base.

My idea is we need a web site for the general public where they can see trailers and even entire productions for free for a limited time to help promote indie films. Also, there should be a news room and calendar area lisiting events where filmmakers will be in public events such as a ComicCon Show.

The web site will need promotion to get started.

But, what do you guys think of the idea?
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One of the biggest challenges for indie filmmakers is to establish a fan base

The web site will need promotion to get started.

So instead of working on promoting your film and establishing your fanbase, you want to start a website that will take a lot of promoting and have a fanbase developed so you can then start to promote your film...

:hmm:
 
Hmm

So instead of working on promoting your film and establishing your fanbase, you want to start a website that will take a lot of promoting and have a fanbase developed so you can then start to promote your film...

:hmm:

This! Also outside Youtube there's Vimeo which is is well works exactly the way you imagine with trailers and everything and about the events..well everyone can announce any event on their own pages.:yes:
 
You won't be found on youtube without a lot of hits where people come looking for you. Try a wild card search for your videos and see where they end up. If your videos even show up anywhere on the first page you are lucky.
 
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You won't be found on youtube without a lot of hits where people come looking for you. Try a wild card search for your videos and see where they end up. If your videos even show up anywhere on the first page you are lucky.

In my opinion, it's not about keyword searches, it's about word of mouth nowadays.

If your film isn't getting much attention, plainly that just means that your film isn't as great as you think it is.

If you constantly keep making really amazing films, people will talk about you and your fan base will grow. It's as simple as that really. Find a niche, make films revolving that niche, and stick with it.

Just look at Freddiew. I learned about him because someone pointed me to his Chrono Trigger video and now he's on of the most subscribed users on Youtube just because he constantly keeps making awesome films and has now released a 6 part action web series that is doing extremely well.

Other examples are: Dark Heart Productions, Double Edge Films, Corridor Digital, etc.
 
Hey MDM, I wish you the best of luck launching a successful website. That's going to be a full time job for you. (I have 12 years experience in the internet ad game so I know) Hopefully, you'll have time for some filmmaking of your own. If you think you got something special then best of luck.


I never heard of your word of mouth productions and I'msure I'm not alone. There is a reason why so much money is spent on P&A.

We need hits in the tens of millions on our stuff to get noticed.
 
In my opinion, it's not about keyword searches, it's about word of mouth nowadays.

If your film isn't getting much attention, plainly that just means that your film isn't as great as you think it is.

If you constantly keep making really amazing films, people will talk about you and your fan base will grow. It's as simple as that really. Find a niche, make films revolving that niche, and stick with it.

Wrong Wrong Wrong.

You can have the best movie in the world but if (for some reason) you can't get the movie seen by the right people or enough people then it will not catch on. There are A LOT of filmmakers that are doing amazing things that you and I will never hear about b/c of the saturated market. Youtube is for cat videos. I really like Vimeo.
 
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There are a lot of media platforms for studio productions such as Entertainment Tonight and Access Hollywood. Indie filmmakers need their own platform for PR.

And each of those platforms has millions of dollars of PR behind it to get it in front of the audience. The missing part isn't the platform, it's the PR. Good PR takes time and experience - you can either put in the time and get the experience, or you can spend money to hire people who've already done so. Youtube or Vimeo will work just fine as platforms as long as you have the PR to promote your work.

Youtube is for cat videos. I really like Vimeo.

I really like Vimeo too, but I disagree about Youtube. As a platform, it actually has some tools to help you do the necessary PR to get your video in front of the people who will be interested - Vimeo, unfortunately, doesn't.

For instance, out of about 20 short films on our Youtube channel our most-viewed one has over 40,000 views. The next closest one is at about 4,500. Our average is about 500. On Vimeo our top few films have about 2,500 views each.

The difference with the most popular one is that I ran a Youtube promoted videos campaign on it as a test last year - that's only the most basic, simple form of PR but it dramatically increased our viewership on that film. Even after stopping the campaign it's resulted in us sustaining about 1,000 views per month, 3-4x what we were getting over the previous year. Thanks to the campaign, if you search for some of the terms related to the film's subject on youtube our fim shows up in the first page of results.

Now that was a one-off film and a simple experiment, and I spent about $250 on the campaign in total. At the point I stopped the campaign views on that film had climbed to 9,000 per month. If the film were part of a series I'm confident that would have translated into even more views because people who liked the film would be more likely to watch the next one, and so on, making it even more cost effective. It was clear to me that with a coordinated release of a series of videos, and an advertising budget of maybe $1000, I could build a viewership in the hundreds of thousands.

The other trend I've noticed is that our documentary work gets a lot more views organically than narrative. That's because people aren't searching for generic things like "action movie" or "sci-fi" - and even when they do there are too many matches for you to stand out in the crowd. That doesn't mean a narrative film can't work on youtube, it just means it has to relate to a specific topic that people might be searching for - and that topic is the thing you need to focus your promoted campaign on.
 
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If anyone doesn't believe that direct connection with users (viewers) and building a fan base from the ground up is more important than millions of dollars in ads, read more Seth Godin.
 
If anyone doesn't believe that direct connection with users (viewers) and building a fan base from the ground up is more important than millions of dollars in ads, read more Seth Godin.

It's not a question of which is more important. Millions of dollars in ads usually gets the job done, as evidenced by each weekend's new blockbusters. For most (all?) of us here though millions of dollars of ads isn't an option - which is where advice like Godin's really comes into play. It's ridiculous to try to compete with millions of dollars of ads if you try to play by the same rules, and a waste of time to complain about not being able to compete directly with them. The only viable alternative is to focus directly on direct audience engagement and building your fan base - but advertising and PR is still a part of that. If you're just sitting around waiting & hoping for an audience to find you, well, you'll be waiting for a long, long time.


I just started this new DailyMotion marketing tool on my promo page.

http://www.cvkproductions.com/ICreator2Promo.html

The idea is to build subscribers.

What is the "DailyMotion marketing tool"? Are you actually running ads on Dailymotion? I haven't spent much time with DM so I'm not familiar with how their promotions work.
 
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There are a lot of media platforms for studio productions such as Entertainment Tonight and Access Hollywood. Indie filmmakers need their own platform for PR.

You have several:

Film Festivals
Film Blogs
Niche Blogs related to your project
Local Newspapers
Facebook fan pages
So on and so forth

Any or all of these are plenty enough to get yourself noticed.

Just getting your trailer to one of the several major film blogs can mean proliferation in a matter of days.

You just have to actually get there.

Wrong Wrong Wrong.

You can have the best movie in the world but if (for some reason) you can't get the movie seen by the right people or enough people then it will not catch on.

Yes. But, that's really not that hard to do. Chances are, if you can't get the right person to watch it then you don't have what that person wants to watch (be it that it's not even a half-decent movie or not their kind of content.

There are A LOT of filmmakers that are doing amazing things that you and I will never hear about b/c of the saturated market.

If by A LOT you mean under one hundred or so, then yeah. If by A LOT you mean thousands, then no. Not a chance in hades.

Youtube is for cat videos. I really like Vimeo.

Youtube is where you're more likely to get randomly noticed. There are far more people randomly passing by videos on youTube than there are on Vimeo. I've purposely NOT released our feature trailer on youTube because I want it to be done when that happens.

Vimeo's better quality by far (to me), but if I wanted to actually get out there it'd be through YouCrap.


I really like Vimeo too, but I disagree about Youtube. As a platform, it actually has some tools to help you do the necessary PR to get your video in front of the people who will be interested - Vimeo, unfortunately, doesn't.

Yes.

It was clear to me that with a coordinated release of a series of videos, and an advertising budget of maybe $1000, I could build a viewership in the hundreds of thousands.

More yes.
 
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