Film = #2 most worthless degree

When the super rich tried to keep health insurance away from 9/11 emergency responders, that was kind of the last straw. So No, I don't want to hobnob with rupert murdock jr. I've had it with the childish stupidity of those that still believe in an American caste system. That is basically the opposite of what America is supposed to be about. Once the hiltons and murdocks have finished circling the American dream with a purple velvet rope, you'll have trouble owning a home ever in your life. I see these people as termites. Small minded, caring only about themselves, constantly consuming and pleasuring themselves to the detriment of all around them. I wouldn't spend 4 years with them, I've seen a guy commit suicide because he didn't have 5 grand. My world has no place for their apathy.

First of all, I think it's a big mistake to think there isn't a caste system in America. I like to rail against it too, but in the meantime, it's the 800 pound gorilla that gets to sit wherever it wants to. The other thing, I'm not saying elite schools are filled with elitists -- the names I dropped were elite names from entertainment and I also referenced people with accomplishments. For example, a 75 million dollar trust fund won't get you a Yale Law degree or a Nicholl Fellowship -- and those are in fact the people you're likely to find in a top 3 film school.

Okay, when you coming up to Santa Barbara? Grab a burger?
 
I generally agree that a degree in filmmaking is pretty useless,
however it also depends on where you are. here in austria there's only one important filmschool and it's a department of the public university. entrance exam is pretty tough and they only take something like 15 people every year, so basically you have to know what you're doing already or you won't make it. and yet almost everyone working in film in Austria went to that school. why? because many "big names" of Austrian film teach there (like Michael Haneke and Christian Berger) and since there's only very few students the relationship between students and teachers is pretty personal. to make a long story short: it's about networking. people don't go to this filmschool to learn how to make films but to connect with the big guys.
 
I generally agree that a degree in filmmaking is pretty useless,
however it also depends on where you are. here in austria there's only one important filmschool and it's a department of the public university. entrance exam is pretty tough and they only take something like 15 people every year, so basically you have to know what you're doing already or you won't make it. and yet almost everyone working in film in Austria went to that school. why? because many "big names" of Austrian film teach there (like Michael Haneke and Christian Berger) and since there's only very few students the relationship between students and teachers is pretty personal. to make a long story short: it's about networking. people don't go to this filmschool to learn how to make films but to connect with the big guys.

So why then would you say it's useless? Seems like if you're an Austrian, film school is a smart thing to do.
 
I'd go to that austrailian film school in a heartbeat.

15 guys nationally, EVERYONE there is going to be a serious filmmaker. You'd have the personal phone number of every up and coming director on your continent. Now that's what I'm talking about for 200k.
 
So why then would you say it's useless? Seems like if you're an Austrian, film school is a smart thing to do.

I said having a degree is pretty useless, going to film school in Austria is the exact right thing to do but not because of the education.

@Nate North:
wrong continent.
in addition: no (or very low) tuition fees in austria.
 
Came across this in NY Times...

For Film Graduates, an Altered Job Picture

Chad Batka for The New York Times

By MICHAEL CIEPLY
Published: July 4, 2011


LOS ANGELES — One after another, touring groups of prospective students and their parents stopped late last month to pose for pictures around a bronze Douglas Fairbanks, who wields his sword in a courtyard fountain here at the University of Southern California’s School of Cinematic Arts.
Not even the imposing Mr. Fairbanks, a founder of the film school, has kept newcomers at bay. But another round of graduates is now hitting the street, in greater numbers and perhaps better equipped than ever before, to pursue opportunities that have seldom been more elusive, at least where traditional Hollywood employment is concerned.

As home-entertainment revenue declined in the last five years, studios reduced spending on scripts from new writers, cut junior staff positions and severely curtailed deals with producers who once provided entry-level positions for film school graduates. Yet applications to university film, television and digital media programs surged in the last few years as students sought refuge from the weak economy in graduate schools and some colleges opened new programs.

“It’s becoming an increasingly flooded marketplace,” said Andrew Dahm, who in May graduated from the Peter Stark producing program at U.S.C. with a master’s degree and an expectation that he would work for two or three years as a low-paid assistant in lieu of the junior executive jobs that were once common.

“Working as an assistant for six years is not unheard of,” Mr. Dahm said. He estimated that perhaps a quarter of the two dozen graduates in his class had lined up assistant jobs; about as many, like himself, are still looking for similar work, he said, while the rest are writing screenplays or otherwise preparing projects that might open a path into the business.

At U.S.C. about 4,800 would-be students applied for fewer than 300 slots next fall, up from about 2,800 applicants the year before. Educators at established film and television programs like those at New York University, the University of Texas, Loyola Marymount University and the University of California, Los Angeles, said they had seen a similarly sharp step-up in the number of students seeking what used to be called film education but now typically embraces the production of video games and Webisodes and virtually any medium in which the pictures move.

By and large those established programs have kept enrollments steady. But an expanding number of new film and media programs at other colleges around the country helped feed what appears to be a bumper crop of graduates in the academic year that just ended.

Several deans and other administrators said they were not aware of precise statistics documenting growth across the field. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences said 136 institutions in the United States submitted entries for its Student Academy Awardsprogram this year, up by a third from 102 in 2009.

“I’ve never seen a major start with so many students in it so quickly,” said David D. Lee, dean of the Potter College of Arts and Letters at Western Kentucky University, which last year added an undergraduate film and television production program. It now has 84 majors, many with only a vague notion of the future for which they are training. “I’m going to make a career that probably doesn’t even exist right now,” was Mr. Lee’s description of the prevailing ethic.

While the number of applications is up, the Tisch School of the Arts at New York University some years ago cut the number of graduate students in its film school to 36 from about 50, said the school’s dean, Mary Schmidt Campbell. At the same time, the school sharpened its professional focus by allowing students to submit a full-length feature film as a thesis project. In effect, that turned an investment in film school, which can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, into a direct investment in a movie. Cary Fukunaga’s“Sin Nombre,” a 2009 indie hit, was thus born at the school.

At N.Y.U. a privately endowed competition also gives alumni as much as $200,000 to direct a first film — a powerful incentive that has tended to focus graduates and undergraduates alike on what was a classic film school goal, to make a feature-length movie. “Even if they don’t win, we find they’ll go on to make a movie,” Ms. Campbell said of graduates who enter the competition.

In Los Angeles, some institutions with traditionally close ties to the film industry have found that both opportunity and student attitudes are shifting.

At U.S.C.’s School of Cinematic Arts, according to its dean, Elizabeth M. Daley, career-oriented students have increasingly looked toward animation, visual effects and video-game development for job prospects. But Ms. Daley also said she had been surprised to see critical studies emerge as a hot major among students, some of whom are inclined to see film school less as a ticket to jobs than as a path to understanding of media and the arts.

“It’s something that’s close to the zeitgeist of our times,” Ms. Daley said of the sudden vogue for that more contemplative side.

Some educators are encouraged by the current configuration.

“I actually think there’s more opportunity,” said Teri Schwartz, dean of the U.C.L.A. School of Theater, Film and Television. Careers in the arts, she said, have always been uncertain, but digital media give current graduates more points of entry.

At Loyola Marymount’s School of Film and Television, Stephen Ujlaki, a new dean who worked for years as a film and television producer, contends that film training should leave students with a knowledge of the arts and a business savvy that will get them through lives that are bound to move in unexpected directions.

The “majority of students majoring in film and television will not be having careers in those professions,” Mr. Ujlaki wrote in an e-mail. “How about creating an environment which encourages creativity and risk-taking if you’re educating someone in the arts?”

So far, it has worked that way for Ruth Fertig, who last year won a Student Academy Award for a documentary, “Yizkor,” about her grandmother’s experience in a concentration camp, after having gotten a graduate degree in film from the University of Texas, Austin.

“I have a day job,” said Ms. Fertig, who spoke by telephone from New York, where she works, mostly on social-media projects, for the International Rescue Committee, a nonprofit that assists refugees.
Ms. Fertig said she remained confident about finishing her pet project, a full-length documentary on the State of Franklin, which had a brief and contentious history as a proposed autonomous unit in what was then the western part of North Carolina after the Revolutionary War.

“If we can stay mobilized, committed and enthusiastic,” she said, “we’ll be fine.”
 
“Working as an assistant for six years is not unheard of,” Mr. Dahm said.

This is my favorite quote of that article.

I have met dozens of people working those six years who did not
spend four years in film school. It must get a little uncomfortable
for the recent film school grad to get hired on as an assistant by
an assistant who has been on the job for two years - two years
less than the grad spend in film school.

No by any means a full study of the question at hand, but since it's
not unheard of, or even that rare, for anyone to spend four to six
years as an assistant, and most of the time assistants do not need
a film school degree, that make me lean towards not getting one.
Four years in college to get a six year assistant gig can mean 10
years before bring "in" the biz. Drop the college years and work for
six years - that would be my method.

Of course everyone is different and has different needs.
 
I find it fascinating, that article.

It would be interesting to see the correlation of those who are entering film school to those who got into film stuff by posting on youtube: Youtube and affordable software and hardware seems (the way I'm seeing it) to cause an explosion in the amount of people enlisting in film schools.

Seeing that about assistants (and thinking of my own example of my friend in television)-you have to wonder if all these people who are going to come out of the school, how many of them will decided down the indie route-are we going to see a swelling of indie companies coming onto our television and TV screens 5,10,15 years down the road?

It almost seems to be a "the best of times/worst of times" type scenario-in that it's the best of times with allt he affordable sound, software, and hardware for the indie route, but worst of times that there could be a LOT more people getting in the pool.
 
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