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I am not sure if intellectual is the right word. Apparently pornography comes from the word prostitution. I just wanted to check if maybe the word is connected to the explicitness of the sexual act. It is not. Anyway, the idea I am talking about is the visualisation of emotions and the sexual act of 6 different couples in a motel. I am not sure if the goal is to turn people on, it's just a visual extension of the contact between people.

I also had another idea and that is to apply the sexual life of naked mole rats to humans. But then it would be more of an absurdist porn movie. Don't know if there is a market for that 🤷‍♀️
There is a market for almost anything.
 
I am not sure if intellectual is the right word. Apparently pornography comes from the word prostitution. I just wanted to check if maybe the word is connected to the explicitness of the sexual act. It is not. Anyway, the idea I am talking about is the visualisation of emotions and the sexual act of 6 different couples in a motel. I am not sure if the goal is to turn people on, it's just a visual extension of the contact between people.

Maybe the word you are looking for is "Eroticism." In the US the word "pornography" has negative connotations.

From Wikipedia,

Pornography (often shortened to porn) is the portrayal of sexual subject matter for the exclusive purpose of sexual arousal.[1] Pornography may be presented in a variety of media, including magazines, animation, writing, film, video, and video games. The term does not include live exhibitions like sex shows and striptease. The primary subjects of present-day pornographic depictions are pornographic models, who pose for still photographs, and pornographic actors who engage in filmed sex acts.

From Wikipedia

Eroticism (from the Greek ἔρως, eros—"desire") is a quality that causes sexual feelings,[1] as well as a philosophical contemplation concerning the aesthetics of sexual desire, sensuality, and romantic love. That quality may be found in any form of artwork, including painting, sculpture, photography, drama, film, music, or literature. It may also be found in advertising. The term may also refer to a state of sexual arousal[1] or anticipation of such – an insistent sexual impulse, desire, or pattern of thoughts.

I also had another idea and that is to apply the sexual life of naked mole rats to humans. But then it would be more of an absurdist porn movie. Don't know if there is a market for that 🤷‍♀️

This video made the rounds of sound editors/designers when it came out; "That would have been a fun project!"


 
Maybe the word you are looking for is "Eroticism." In the US the word "pornography" has negative connotations.

From Wikipedia,

Pornography (often shortened to porn) is the portrayal of sexual subject matter for the exclusive purpose of sexual arousal.[1] Pornography may be presented in a variety of media, including magazines, animation, writing, film, video, and video games. The term does not include live exhibitions like sex shows and striptease. The primary subjects of present-day pornographic depictions are pornographic models, who pose for still photographs, and pornographic actors who engage in filmed sex acts.

From Wikipedia

Eroticism (from the Greek ἔρως, eros—"desire") is a quality that causes sexual feelings,[1] as well as a philosophical contemplation concerning the aesthetics of sexual desire, sensuality, and romantic love. That quality may be found in any form of artwork, including painting, sculpture, photography, drama, film, music, or literature. It may also be found in advertising. The term may also refer to a state of sexual arousal[1] or anticipation of such – an insistent sexual impulse, desire, or pattern of thoughts.



This video made the rounds of sound editors/designers when it came out; "That would have been a fun project!"


Awesome!! (the commercial) and I don't have your ear, but I can imagine you 'audiolise'? (as visualise) the sounds imagining how they have been made?

Pornography according to etymonline (wondering when I will be kicked out of the forum;))
1842, "ancient obscene painting, especially in temples of Bacchus," from French pornographie, from Greek pornographos "(one) depicting prostitutes," from graphein "to write" (see -graphy) + pornē"prostitute," originally "bought, purchased" (with an original notion, probably of "female slave sold for prostitution"), related to pernanai "to sell" (from PIE *perə-, variant of root *per- (5) "to traffic in, to sell").

So yes, that word actually doesn't work for what I have in mind. But eroticism also not. Because I was thinking about visually decoupling the emotions of the faces with 'the act' So actually a very hard cut from emotions to flesh in combination with both voyeurism and visual detachment, like you see in Asian cinema.
 
You may find this interesting:

From Wikipedia,


For the film, see The Seven Minutes (film).

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The Seven Minutes is a novel by Irving Wallace published in 1969 and released by Simon & Schuster. The book is a fictional account of the effects of pornography and the related arguments about freedom of speech.

Plot summary

A novel entitled The Seven Minutes, purporting to be the thoughts in a woman's mind during seven minutes of sexual intercourse, is reputed to be the most obscene piece of pornography ever written, with massive public debate as to whether or not the book should be banned. A bookseller named Ben Fremont sells The Seven Minutes to Jeffrey Griffith, a college student with no history of violence. The book is found in Jeffrey's possession after his arrest for committing a brutal rape and murder.


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Awesome!! (the commercial) and I don't have your ear, but I can imagine you 'audiolise'? (as visualise) the sounds imagining how they have been made?

Don't have to imagine how the sounds were made. They used toy balloons - condoms weren't squeaky enough.

And I wish there was a word equal to "visualize" for sound. About the best I can come up with is "Sonicise" or "Soniclise." "Sonicate" was already taken.

Just for fun.....

 
"Transfinite" was very cool. It's more an art installation combined with a performance piece. Never heard of Ryoji Ikeda before, I'll have to check out more of his stuff.

I did and... very nice! Much better than a lot I heard at for example the TodaysArt festival (The Hague - Olá Dutch guy!😉)

Thank you! I create them for my own enjoyment. The visuals are from the Prelinger Archives (Desoulation) or public domain "freebees" from various stock footage sites (Sheratan Sunrise).

I have been thinking about understanding what you are doing... Does this fall in your category?

I wear a lot of hats, sonically. I spent my early years as a working musician. Some of my "history" musically is in this thread, #8:


I was a music recording engineer after I stopped performing (long story) and them migrated to audio post. I consider myself a sound editor/designer. I do the dialog editing, perform/record Foley, create/edit sound effects, edit score & music, and the final mix. I do indie projects mostly. Here's an example; I did all the audio post except the score:


Here's another:

 
You may find this interesting:

From Wikipedia,


For the film, see The Seven Minutes (film).

TheSevenMinutes.jpg
The Seven Minutes is a novel by Irving Wallace published in 1969 and released by Simon & Schuster. The book is a fictional account of the effects of pornography and the related arguments about freedom of speech.

Plot summary

A novel entitled The Seven Minutes, purporting to be the thoughts in a woman's mind during seven minutes of sexual intercourse, is reputed to be the most obscene piece of pornography ever written, with massive public debate as to whether or not the book should be banned. A bookseller named Ben Fremont sells The Seven Minutes to Jeffrey Griffith, a college student with no history of violence. The book is found in Jeffrey's possession after his arrest for committing a brutal rape and murder.


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Don't have to imagine how the sounds were made. They used toy balloons - condoms weren't squeaky enough.

And I wish there was a word equal to "visualize" for sound. About the best I can come up with is "Sonicise" or "Soniclise." "Sonicate" was already taken.

Just for fun.....

Olá! Will see if I can download the book somewhere, although I have to admit that my friend (with whom I always have this super creative ideas;)) is more 'responsible' for the psychological content - so I forwarded a link to the book to her. I am the visual person. Since making movies is all about getting the message across by multiple means.

What I liked about Ikeda ( I experienced him live) is that the sounds are perfect in itself because they are digital (that is a lousy argument, but he sublimated the digital sound with superb equipment - you can almost touch the sounds). This in comparison to sounds from 'normal' instruments: they are organic. Even my beloved Hammond organ with Leslie sound has unpredictabilities in the sound itself, which makes it come to life.
I have this thought experiment which I never want to experience: deaf or blind. Not hearing will cut you off of the world, while only seeing makes you live in a bubble.

And yes! sonicise! I like the word. I will see if I can practice that. It is a good distraction when conversations are boring;)
 
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What I liked about Ikeda ( I experienced him live) is that the sounds are perfect in itself because they are digital (that is a lousy argument, but he sublimated the digital sound with superb equipment - you can almost touch the sounds). This in comparison to sounds from 'normal' instruments: they are organic. Even my beloved Hammond organ with Leslie sound has unpredictabilities in the sound itself, which makes it come to life.

In the world of Sound Design anything "organic" is created, well, organically - physical instruments like brass, strings, percussion, etc. Even electric guitars, organs and the like are still "organic" as they still retain the "randomness" of "real" instruments. Sound designer Ben Burtt of Star Wars fame created all of the sounds using real "organic" objects. The iconic Blaster sound was made like this:


We sound folks only consider the source material. The initial recording of the guide wire is organic, no matter how much we later mangle it in a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).


When I was a working musician the Hammond was my "axe;" at least until the 1980s. Hey, Keith Emerson of ELP was my guy, "the Jimi Hendrix of the Hammond Organ." At about 2:10 "Fingers" Emerson goes completely Pete Townsend/Jimi Hendrix all over an L-100 Hammond.


You can't do that with a digital keyboard!

Ever since truly 100% digital instruments came around music engineers have always been looking for ways to "warm" the "cold" digital sound. That's why so many up-scale recording studios have expensive tube preamps and use (digitally controlled) analog recording/mixing consoles to impart some "warmth" to the sound.
 
In the world of Sound Design anything "organic" is created, well, organically - physical instruments like brass, strings, percussion, etc. Even electric guitars, organs and the like are still "organic" as they still retain the "randomness" of "real" instruments. Sound designer Ben Burtt of Star Wars fame created all of the sounds using real "organic" objects. The iconic Blaster sound was made like this:


We sound folks only consider the source material. The initial recording of the guide wire is organic, no matter how much we later mangle it in a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).


When I was a working musician the Hammond was my "axe;" at least until the 1980s. Hey, Keith Emerson of ELP was my guy, "the Jimi Hendrix of the Hammond Organ." At about 2:10 "Fingers" Emerson goes completely Pete Townsend/Jimi Hendrix all over an L-100 Hammond.


You can't do that with a digital keyboard!

Ever since truly 100% digital instruments came around music engineers have always been looking for ways to "warm" the "cold" digital sound. That's why so many up-scale recording studios have expensive tube preamps and use (digitally controlled) analog recording/mixing consoles to impart some "warmth" to the sound.
Hmm... yes. Your comparison with Jimi Hendrix and Pete Townsend is spot on... I am not so keen of people treating musical instruments (maybe any artifact build with dedication) badly... And I am also missing the Hammond sound, not sure how ‘you, guys’ describe it, but that singing, exasperating, soul touching cry - out of an electronic instrument! And I am not speaking about the Doors.


And this is better than sex. Yes.
 
And, I am of opinion that digital sound will never be able to touch the soul as organic sound does, because the latter contains impurities to such an extend that it is not replicable. But I know this is a harsh claim. And I am also sure that I would fail a blind test.
 
I am of opinion that digital sound will never be able to touch the soul as organic sound does, because the latter contains impurities to such an extend that it is not replicable.
I am not so keen of people treating musical instruments (maybe any artifact build with dedication) badly

:lol: Some day, when we are all free to roam the world again, you should come to my local festival of traditional music, where the associated instrument-makers' fair is open only to people who make "real" instruments! Better still are the small improv stages scattered throughout the forest, where (in the absence of electricity, and at four or five o'clock in the morning!) many souls are touched by "organic" music!

Spot the impurity in this spontaneous performance behind one of the stands!
 
I am not so keen of people treating musical instruments (maybe any artifact build with dedication) badly.

Actually, Pete Townsend started smashing guitars when he did one of his famous jumps and smashed his guitar into a low ceiling at a club gig. He was so pissed off he continued to smash it all over the stage. The crowd loved it, so it became a part of The Who's act. Hendrix was more, "I wonder what a guitar will sound like if I did this to it?"

There was a band called Black Oak Arkansas that had cases of really cheap-o, barely playable guitars to smash at the end of their shows.

Keith Emerson abused the same organ decades; his "tech" would put it back together after the concert.


I am of opinion that digital sound will never be able to touch the soul as organic sound does

I absolutely adore working with digital technology, but I want my sound sources to be organic. Not always possible, and being able to crank out a string or brass section at any time is kind of awesome; who can afford to hire a brass section? So it's a love-hate-love-love-hate-love relationship.


I do note-for-note MIDI recreations as closely as I can in my "MIDIots Delight" persona. How much can I recreate using only one basic sound set? The orchestra recreation is at about 4:40.


Here's the original:

 
Hey Brian!

You posted while I was writing.

Made me think of Kitaro. In the late 80's - if I wasn't in transit or playing a gig - I would join in with his "continuous music around the world project." He and many, many others would start playing (usually percussion instruments) at sunrise on the International Date Line. They would play for an hour until the music was taken up by the next sunrise group and so on, until Kitaro and company finished up the last of the 24 hours. The concept was there would be continuous inter-related music being performed around the globe for an entire day, a sort of international unity statement through music.
 
:lol: Some day, when we are all free to roam the world again, you should come to my local festival of traditional music, where the associated instrument-makers' fair is open only to people who make "real" instruments! Better still are the small improv stages scattered throughout the forest, where (in the absence of electricity, and at four or five o'clock in the morning!) many souls are touched by "organic" music!

Spot the impurity in this spontaneous performance behind one of the stands!
Very nice:) thank you! it reminded me a bit of Gnawa
but then a bit funkier. I was some time in Mongolia and it is interesting how much sound bare wind can make. I tried to compare it with something, but everything is always compared with the wind;)
 
Actually, Pete Townsend started smashing guitars when he did one of his famous jumps and smashed his guitar into a low ceiling at a club gig. He was so pissed off he continued to smash it all over the stage. The crowd loved it, so it became a part of The Who's act. Hendrix was more, "I wonder what a guitar will sound like if I did this to it?"

There was a band called Black Oak Arkansas that had cases of really cheap-o, barely playable guitars to smash at the end of their shows.

Keith Emerson abused the same organ decades; his "tech" would put it back together after the concert.




I absolutely adore working with digital technology, but I want my sound sources to be organic. Not always possible, and being able to crank out a string or brass section at any time is kind of awesome; who can afford to hire a brass section? So it's a love-hate-love-love-hate-love relationship.


I do note-for-note MIDI recreations as closely as I can in my "MIDIots Delight" persona. How much can I recreate using only one basic sound set? The orchestra recreation is at about 4:40.


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"I do note-for-note MIDI recreations as closely as I can in my "MIDIots Delight" persona. How much can I recreate using only one basic sound set? " They are good! And what are you using them for? Or, why are you doing it? And yes, I understand your love-hate-love relation. I have the same with AI and intelligent robotics. I see it as a human challenge to see if we can understand, replicate and improve. And at the same time, you have an eerie feeling that something is not right...
 
I have read a interview with Ben Burtt and the sound was made like this...

After "A New Hope" they did go to the "Slinky" version; it's more controllable and recording in a studio is much easier and quieter. But for the original Star Wars film they used the guide wire recordings. It's a part of Sound Design history I studied it when I was first starting out with Sound-For-Picture.

They are good! And what are you using them for? Or, why are you doing it?

My MIDI recreations are mostly to amuse myself these days. It started out as "how can I make that sound?" and wanted the context of the entire track. It was also for a few clients who didn't like the MMO (Music Minus One) and MIDI tracks that were available at the time (1980s/1990s). The big bonus is that the track can be transposed to any key in a matter of seconds. It's also useful when I'm learning a new sound-set for my DAW or a new style/genre of music.

My "masterpiece" is "Karn Evil 9" by ELP; I did the entire 13+ minutes of the "1st Impression" as a tribute when Keith Emerson passed away in 2016.


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I have a few I haven't posted yet; actually kind of lazy about it, but it's not like it's a real money-maker or anyone else really cares. It's mostly a personal education/enjoyment thing. When I did stuff by The Who I really came to appreciate the genius of Keith Moon; he's not just the basher people think he was.

 
After "A New Hope" they did go to the "Slinky" version; it's more controllable and recording in a studio is much easier and quieter. But for the original Star Wars film they used the guide wire recordings. It's a part of Sound Design history I studied it when I was first starting out with Sound-For-Picture.



My MIDI recreations are mostly to amuse myself these days. It started out as "how can I make that sound?" and wanted the context of the entire track. It was also for a few clients who didn't like the MMO (Music Minus One) and MIDI tracks that were available at the time (1980s/1990s). The big bonus is that the track can be transposed to any key in a matter of seconds. It's also useful when I'm learning a new sound-set for my DAW or a new style/genre of music.

My "masterpiece" is "Karn Evil 9" by ELP; I did the entire 13+ minutes of the "1st Impression" as a tribute when Keith Emerson passed away in 2016.


Here's the original:



I have a few I haven't posted yet; actually kind of lazy about it, but it's not like it's a real money-maker or anyone else really cares. It's mostly a personal education/enjoyment thing. When I did stuff by The Who I really came to appreciate the genius of Keith Moon; he's not just the basher people think he was.

Thanks for sharing!:) I didn’t know the original of both, so I just enjoyed your digital version! Cannot imagine how difficult and ‘monks work’ it must have been.

Of The Who I only know well Tommy - and then the movie version...
 
I'm not a composer. I could never write songs or compose - even though I tried really hard. It just wasn't there, just as I don't have the "It" factor that makes a star/front-man. As a musician I was a very good keyboard player and singer (back-up, didn't have a solo voice), and had a way with arranging and whipping a band or performer(s) into shape, stage or studio. So my career was as the musical director who ran the back-up band for the front people.

As recording engineer I enhanced the work of others, translating their ideas into a cohesive - and hopefully salable - product (song/album).

I now do audio post - dialog editing, Foley, sound effects, music editing and final mix.

Experimental composer John Cage called music "The organization of sound." His 4:33 (four minutes and 33 seconds) is the musician(s) sitting silent for that period of time, motionless. Since a specific time frame (4:33) has been placed around the sounds of the audience - breathing, shifting in their seats, ruffling their programs, whispering, etc. - the imposed structure makes this event music, even if is random sounds.

So that's what I do, I organize sound.

Cage is a very interesting guy.

Here's one of his performances.


And here's a good introduction to the man.

Don’t know if BBC did try to mimic sounds on Mars, but I had to think of you and that I can imagine that it is an interesting sonolization;) experiment
 

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Without getting into the details, radio-telescopes record the electronic emanations from moons, planets and other astrophysical phenomena. The radio waves have frequencies which coincide with audio frequencies. The recorded electronic emissions are "translated" into audio. These "translated" radio frequencies are the "sounds" of the cosmos. It's mostly a steady drone.


There are folks who turn these drones into music. I actually listen to these when I'm writing; I find regular music too distracting.

Don’t know if BBC did try to mimic sounds on Mars, but I had to think of you and that I can imagine that it is an interesting sonolization;) experiment


Although the sounds themselves are rather bland, it's very exciting to hear actual sounds from Mars, even though it is only wind against the mic and the sounds of the Mars rover itself.

 
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