Are you burned out yet?

Where's the site forum with the middle age guys who aren't yet successful, may never be and don't care about most of the dumb newbie questions around here.."I have a camera, how do I make a film?" type. Naturally, this place exists for those starting out or interested in all aspects of cinema but the near banality of it (I'm 40 and old) has begun to take a toll on my psyche and overall mental health. SO many responses are industry-standard without real personal risk, I'm guessing most of you don't want to take it further and start challenging each other with some real unknowns. I was reading a post on cinematography where this veteran really lays it out for this curious student and all I could think was "John Cassavetes would hate you both, really just hate you both.", but I couldn't write that because that's not the sort of thing people are going to response to without taking up arms- yes, I have received a demerit for stepping on toes here. I do enjoy reading many posts on IndieTalk but I rarely want to get involved in conversations because well..I'm just not interested in repeating myself. I suppose I could go over and reviews obviously dumb films on IMDb. *Sigh*

Where is the action? Were can I get into film production discussions (theory and criticism?) without having ppl shit their pants? Does a place exist that I overlooked it or does it need to be created by me --"Middle Age Film Losers":lol:. You can PM if you want, I'm just personally ready for change. Please don't take offense now, I love this place, but I just need more depth, more play- more fun.
 
don't care about most of the dumb newbie questions around here..

Well said.

I have received a demerit for stepping on toes here.

As Sweetie would say. Toes are meant to be stomped on. Go for it, even if it's me. In that case, go for it harder!

Were can I get into film production discussions (theory and criticism?)

Lets start. Go for it. What you want to talk about? If I have a clue I'll pitch in. If I'm clueless on the topic, I'll pretend until someone tells me to pull my head in!

The two areas I'm currently focusing on improving are editing and writing. Just beware, I'm only just starting to take writing seriously so I'm still forming my opinions. If those are your areas, I'd love to go deep... in a non-pervy way of course.

I'm in.
 
I'm looking forward to the features of the new IndieTalk site. I find the current forum format a little too much work when all I want to do is check in, and chat with filmmakers.
 
this site becomes a bit stale when certain members keep badgering on about the same techniques that people should use or do despite having rarely contributed any footage themselves.

not a dig at everyone but some people in particular.

forums are touch and go and you can never really get the answer your looking for, for example I asked about some technically advanced advice and no one said anything, when I asked a simpleton opinion I got loads of responses..

I guess at the end of the day theres only so much advice anyone can offer and I have only seen one or two people on here who perhaps are what I would call bordering on really successful.

no offence to anyone of course.
 
I had a long chat with Film Autre tonight where he gave me a lesson in lighting and shooting. What he said was at a level beyond most of what you'll find on here and gave me a ton of direction. Interestingly, he has shot for a BAFTA-nominated DoP, a professional director whose IMDB credits include directing Eastenders, Holby City and whose last credit was a full-blown, 7-figure feature film.

Like me, he gets paid for the occasional gig and we are both at a stage where we are trying to break through to the next level.

However, I would add the other reason I don't post anything too interesting is because it's a forum with all the issues that come with it. I'd much rather sit down over a beer with an established film maker and we can teach each other that way. If you want to have a chat, just let me know!

Anyhow, back to my sound mix...
 
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forums are touch and go and you can never really get the answer your looking for, for example I asked about some technically advanced advice and no one said anything, when I asked a simpleton opinion I got loads of responses..

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It's like a pyramid: lots of people know basic stuff, few know the very advanced stuff.
On top off that there are always more people who want to know the basic stuff and ask on a forum, than people who have very complicated questions. And people who are more advanced tend to ask less questions, because they have more ways to find a solution. This will always keep the amount of 'deeper topics' a minority.
And like Gorilla said: in an actual conversation it's much easier to talk about advanced topics.
On a forum it could easily turn into writing a book. :P

Please go deeper into the various subjects of filmmaking.
Maybe, we all have to challenge IT now and then.
But the fact remains: there is more that I don't know than what I do know. And still I don't feel like I have many questions to ask either. Perhaps, I'm just busy doing my thing without being challenged by overly complicated problems.
But the few times I asked something, I often got some good answers.

I'm still burning...
 
I find that most 'filmmaking' forums, with the exception of a select few, tend to talk about the 'new' camera or the 'specs' of this and that.

Sometimes general overviews of things, or newbies looking for a push in the right direction.

I can't remember the last time I've had an in-depth chat about lighting on a forum.. But am happy to!

I'm happy to teach/chat with whoever will listen/wants to listen about all I know about Cinematography and filmmaking in general, and share 'war stories'.

I think, though, that it's possibly better suited to a blog environment. I don't know, honestly.
 
Mind if I take a different approach?

When you feel burned out, its the NEWBIES that can restore that fresh point of view for you.

Let's take it extreme, a director like Coppola, 76, done it all, nothing new.... You know what would spark that again? To see it from the eyes of a 30 year old newbie with eyes full of hope, asking all these mundane questions, eager to learn whatever you feed him/her.

You feel burned out? Go work with a new person, full of life, you give them knowledge they give you life and curiosity, let the exchange begin... That's all it is right? Just an exchange of valuables.... Go give to receive.
 
It's like a pyramid: lots of people know basic stuff, few know the very advanced stuff.
On top off that there are always more people who want to know the basic stuff and ask on a forum, than people who have very complicated questions. And people who are more advanced tend to ask less questions, because they have more ways to find a solution. This will always keep the amount of 'deeper topics' a minority.
And like Gorilla said: in an actual conversation it's much easier to talk about advanced topics.
On a forum it could easily turn into writing a book. :P

Please go deeper into the various subjects of filmmaking.
Maybe, we all have to challenge IT now and then.
But the fact remains: there is more that I don't know than what I do know. And still I don't feel like I have many questions to ask either. Perhaps, I'm just busy doing my thing without being challenged by overly complicated problems.
But the few times I asked something, I often got some good answers.

I'm still burning from STD's I got treated back during the holidays..I guess that means I have herpes?

It's not "knowing" things that makes good films, even if I'm incompetent in all aspect of film production I can still have a good or even great film on my hands if the story and production process are exceptionally tight and ætherial, a good example would be Robert Eggers's The Witch (still in theaters btw!), which was incredible and not because it was well written or had a terribly interesting story but I still felt its power- Satan power is what it was. There's a lot of people here that "know" more than me, if fact, know a lot more than me- have more experience, better understanding of mechanics. Does that make a good filmmaker? I kinda feel that it doesn't, otherwise it would be a craftsmen dominated industry which it isn't.
Talking about being honest about the kinds of stories that we want to tell or have others make is important to me, just random things for me, racial or sexual themes, even hard core porn - personally I'd love to see a movie about an endearing small town child molester that we route for not after he porks little kids but we learn he's a wildly popular major of a small town who stands up to corporate injustice in his neck of the heartland, stands up for Christians stupidity even though he's not by any stretch of the imagination one, he's an unlikely hero and gives a little bit of humanity to those we despise.Bill Cosby still made the Cosby Show, a supreb 80's sitcom about a strong and successful African-American family- a nice wish. Another idea is a movie about war or wars between the races - why not?..white versus black , yellow versus orange and brown as white. Am I a racist? Hey, you're just gonna have to stick around and find out.

I remember not too long ago we had a 'Do minorities in Hollywood get enough work' thread that brought up the popular Tinseltown cause celebre that we must now all know of by now..

It was a good thread, some people advocating for more persons of color in mainstream media while, a surprising number, against giving anyone not fortunate enough to have attained box office glory anymore career opportunities just because their black (shitty fucking racists think alike don't they?). It's an already extremely competitive field- so everyone had their idea of fairness- which is fair- so that's a good place to start.
I totally jumped the shark on the 3rd page calling everyone a racist as a joke but perhaps tinged with anger at some of the more overt white supremacy opinions expressed in some of posts "Black people have no place behind a camera" and "My daughter will never fuck a black man"- whatever that means, its not even film related. Mr. sfoster found the entire exchange amusing and accepted the fact he was a racist and sought atonement from me (As a white man I have none to give). My own thoughts were in complete support of the American black separatist angle actually. More negro voices, queer and female can't be enough, I say, considering the Wonder Bread mass appeal releases coming out daily, I travel a lot at it seems like the same silly Marvel superhero movie is on half of the screens at the 24 megaplex mall cinema. Such trival fantasy is so safe. Blah. Imagining using that $250 Million dollars to tell a black story. One of European domination, rape and enslavement in IMAX for 3+ hours.

So naturally the thread was gone the next day, which was too bad because that topic couldn't have developed into something interesting, meaningful, impacting and so forth because it was deleted because you know..race.. can't be having someone calling people 'racists' or ppl getting angry about it because then the website host server would crash. Being that this was all just a random thought anyway I suppose I could've just started another "race in Hollywood" thread just as easily as I do have hands, but I didn't and you get mildly discourage for a moment and as an artist when something like that happens.
 
Mmhmm. Right. You're calling it like it is —in your imagination, that is.

Stepping on toes? More like blowing hot air out your …

You're not worth talking to.

And I don't understand the hostility towards newbs, from you or from anyone else.

Banality? Baloney. If a site like Indietalk, and its members, can't be friendly, nurturing, and most of all patient with its newbs, then it isn't worth the pixels it occupies.
 
It's just the way this artist feels, it's not something you should understand.

No one's stopping you from helping the optimistic youth/newb.

You feel the need to slap me down because I'm not like you and your pathetic attempts at legitimacy.
 
I'm burned out on trying to get started. :) I have no aspirations to "go pro." I would just like to have a creative outlet. However, there are months on end where I work 7 days/ week. The money is good, but no movies.....

As for this site, yes it can get repetitive with the beginner questions. ( i see that Harmonica still hasn't figured out the basics) And yes, it does get tiresome seeing everyone scramble for the latest and greatest, instead of telling stories. But hey, whatareyagonnado?? I tend toward watching the films people post, and give them my $.02 in a constructive way.

And yes, the pedagogy can bet old too. But, one must learn to walk before running.

To you specifically, maybe you have outgrown this site. ??? IDK
 
I'm burned out on trying to get started. :) I have no aspirations to "go pro." I would just like to have a creative outlet. However, there are months on end where I work 7 days/ week. The money is good, but no movies.....

As for this site, yes it can get repetitive with the beginner questions. ( i see that Harmonica still hasn't figured out the basics) And yes, it does get tiresome seeing everyone scramble for the latest and greatest, instead of telling stories. But hey, whatareyagonnado?? I tend toward watching the films people post, and give them my $.02 in a constructive way.

And yes, the pedagogy can bet old too. But, one must learn to walk before running.

To you specifically, maybe you have outgrown this site. ??? IDK

I worry about becoming too famous or even famous at all. I know, I know..laugh. It's all terribly funny. That's one of the three reasons we're doing all this right?, A) Fame B) Stuff (pussy, properties, creating personal fragrances, doing drugs with other famous people. C) Art. So if we get all these things, then what happens? I don't want to be watched all the time by vultures in the bushes with telephoto lenses, every time I fill up the lamb. at the gas station I hear a bunch of clicks*Clicks*clicks. Same goes for when I hold hands, go on vacation, look out the window of my Hollywood Hills mansion with club music blaring over my estate and topless chicks EVERYWHERE!
What about my girlfriend? Why does she need to get dragged into this complete mess? Because in a matter of weeks I'll be discovered boning some super model in my h2 in a mall parking lot after we notify the paparazzi we're there.
I think Art is the most important thing to me, to make something so affecting and profound,no matter the genre or subject, just giving something people find really insightful, useful or entertaining and I made that happen- wow- just ..fucking..wow. That's a real need for me- I want this to become my reality but I worry about what it'll bring.. I'm telling the absolute truth here when I say I probably couldn't handle it [the lifestyle] for long. I'd OD or become some annoying celebrity spokesman for global awareness of Greenland's receding glacier ice, what else would there be to do? You don't have a life anymore, it's a public image that you constantly need to feed or else it'll die and we can't have that!
 
I am the middle-aged guy who started this filming journey and am now in a place where I have won competitive pitches and get paid. I don't get paid very much but it is a great feeling knowing that other people are paying me money because they believe I am better (not cheaper, better) than the other people who are pitching them. They prefer my ideas, instincts and the nature of my creative process.

My idea is to continue driving forward and this is a huge time for me. I have a couple of big filming projects coming up and if they are successful, I will be in a great place along with a fantastic film maker on here called 'Film Autre.'

So no, I am not burned out. I am just getting started.
 
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I worry about becoming too famous or even famous at all. I know, I know..laugh. It's all terribly funny. That's one of the three reasons we're doing all this right?, A) Fame B) Stuff (pussy, properties, creating personal fragrances, doing drugs with other famous people. C) Art. So if we get all these things, then what happens? I don't want to be watched all the time by vultures in the bushes with telephoto lenses, every time I fill up the lamb. at the gas station I hear a bunch of clicks*Clicks*clicks. Same goes for when I hold hands, go on vacation, look out the window of my Hollywood Hills mansion with club music blaring over my estate and topless chicks EVERYWHERE!
What about my girlfriend? Why does she need to get dragged into this complete mess? Because in a matter of weeks I'll be discovered boning some super model in my h2 in a mall parking lot after we notify the paparazzi we're there.
I think Art is the most important thing to me, to make something so affecting and profound,no matter the genre or subject, just giving something people find really insightful, useful or entertaining and I made that happen- wow- just ..fucking..wow. That's a real need for me- I want this to become my reality but I worry about what it'll bring.. I'm telling the absolute truth here when I say I probably couldn't handle it [the lifestyle] for long. I'd OD or become some annoying celebrity spokesman for global awareness of Greenland's receding glacier ice, what else would there be to do? You don't have a life anymore, it's a public image that you constantly need to feed or else it'll die and we can't have that!

I suppose I need to up and get over my fear of fame/super fame? Just embrace the actuality of it. The problem isn't what I think other people will think about me but what I think of myself. I'm seeing a 'life coach' now and I'm working towards being "OK" with my emotional state, no matter if it's volatile, peaceful or problem-free , it wouldn't be for long. That's the way life is, one problem after problem, and so on and so forth- the problems never end and that's usually what we don't what to admit to ourselves because we spend a lot of time, an inordinate amount of time fascinated by our own blissful, perfect future where we won't have worry, conflict or dissatisfaction with any part of our lives. Can we get there? No way, it's a fantasy. Like what we're doing here and now, fantasizing about how good we are and how gear makes up for the fact that we all suck and will never improve to the point of having talent and being recognized for that talent. Just our volition along with some money isn't or hasn't produced results, and only the really talented, the luckiest amongst us will be met with stardom. Meanwhile, down in the filmmaker's purgatory, toiling away [alone], many naive hopefuls get scraps for their efforts.
 
... Can we get there? No way, it's a fantasy. Like what we're doing here and now, fantasizing about how good we are and how gear makes up for the fact that we all suck and will never improve to the point of having talent and being recognized for that talent...

I don't ask the question 'Do I have talent?' Rather, people with money give it to me and tell me I have talent. In addition, my stuff has played in film festivals in London, Toronto etc... including the London Independent meaning there are film fest who think my stuff stands up against professionals who have been shooting movies etc... for the last 20 years.

Do my skills and talent allow me to make up for a lack of kit? I don't know. Example of a doc teaser trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5HALvW69uc

And I started a few years back with nothing except a camcorder, a recent divorce, my middle-aged paunch and an idea. Will tell you in a couple of years if it all works out but at the very least am giving it a shot. Each new, challenge on the upward path is achievable but there will come a time when I reach my ceiling.

Until then, onwards and upwards. Just my $0.02
 
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