2K vs 4K

tokenwhiteboy

tokenwhiteboy

If there is a thread that discusses this, please direct me to that.

We are producing a horror / thriller that has box office potential (ie... not a B movie)

Obviously plan A is to sell the film and / or secure theatrical distribution

Plan B includes setting up our own screenings and a limited theatrical release

Now... the question is this...

should we shoot in 2K or 4K?
 
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tokenwhiteboy said:
We are in talks with a variety of DPs right now. This is not for me to say "Hey Mr. DP, you are going to use this camera" this is for me personally to have more knowledge so that I can ask better questions and have a better understanding of the entire process - not to micromanage, but to make sure that no stone is left unturned
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Not a thing wrong with this, TWB.

However, in the future, I think you'll more satisfied with Forum responses if you put this kind of information *in your original post.* Best of luck.
 
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2K vs 4K
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Almost feels like we have another h44.
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Why? Because someone is asking legitimate questions?
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my biggest question is how well they do with firelight
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You have a knack of asking broad questions, holding back relevant information, ignoring questions from people trying to help you and following up with really odd irrelevant questions or information that any reasonable person would have included in their initial post and on top of that, you go nerd rage if people responders don't go out of their way to spoon feed you (Eg: http://www.indietalk.com/showthread.php?t=51366).

I doubt it, but it could be just your quirky sense of humor that escapes me.

To me, it just feels that I'd get a bigger sense of reward from running head first into a brick wall than answering your questions. That's where you and h44 have similar traits. Maybe you just grate on my nerves.
 
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If you have "The Budget" then you have the resources to put together a team that will answer your questions in preproduction. That's what preproduction is for, to answer these types of questions. Why ask indie types who struggle to put a few grand together to make a film? With a few exceptions - the professionals here who try to provide micro budget solutions - no one here has worked with more than a hi-end camcorder or DSLR.
 
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You underestimate people. I think there is lot of professionals reading things like me and I think there is lot of other one's too who are just interested to read foorum's and this is more like hobby for me, but I dont comment so much.

I think if you have limited or normal budjet the 2-3k more to get 4k camera is not big invest. I have made lot of camera mans work and post. Some times some cameraman's just hate some cameras because bad experience before, but for me they are just equiment's to work. I can do my job with web cam if someone is paying to me to do that. Other thing what you can think is that what if you shoot with film 35mm or imax. Then you have to know lot of about film types, but you can scan it big. Now days there is lot of option about 4k cameras. Pic some one wich have 4:4:4 format and good lenses. Light have to bee good anyway and if you have well lighted scenes you can allways there take light of in post than let the lights be shit and then be in the post like what a fuck we do for this. In 4k you can adjust more colors in post, but if you like more digital film look and low saturation bullshit alexa is way to go. It is nice camera and 2k is inaf. But if you dont have any special effects I think 2k is inaf, but I think it is allways easyer to go down than up. Often the color range is better when you have more resolution. Like you say that you want some dark scene. Light it normal and then make it dark in post.
 
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Sweetie said:
You have a knack of asking broad questions, holding back relevant information, ignoring questions from people trying to help you and following up with really odd irrelevant questions or information that any reasonable person would have included in their initial post and on top of that, you go nerd rage if people responders don't go out of their way to spoon feed you (Eg: http://www.indietalk.com/showthread.php?t=51366).

I doubt it, but it could be just your quirky sense of humor that escapes me.

To me, it just feels that I'd get a bigger sense of reward from running head first into a brick wall than answering your questions. That's where you and h44 have similar traits. Maybe you just grate on my nerves.
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That was one post out of a lot of contributions I've made here.

How about this... just don't open any threads I start. :)
 
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Alcove Audio said:
If you have "The Budget" then you have the resources to put together a team that will answer your questions in preproduction. That's what preproduction is for, to answer these types of questions. Why ask indie types who struggle to put a few grand together to make a film? With a few exceptions - the professionals here who try to provide micro budget solutions - no one here has worked with more than a hi-end camcorder or DSLR.
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Because in our budget range, you will find a lot of people who think they know what they are talking about... that is why I came here and asked the question. Because even if people might not have worked with Epics or even higher end cameras, I'm betting they have done some research into them.

How is this for a deal... obviously some people here don't care for me. I can handle that. So why not just ignore the threads I start ;)
 
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Here's the thing...

I want to be a contributing member to this community and I'm working on some things that I think can benefit a lot of the indie peeps here.

So if you don't like how I ask a question or whatever, just ignore me.

Thank you to everyone who contributed to this discussion. I appreciate it.

As I mentioned above, we are in that budget range where we can afford a decent DP but not a name. That said, I will be part of the team interviewing DPs and yes, you can look at resume and reels, but that's only part of the story.

Askiing questions to gain a better understanding is part of the biz and is crucial - especially when you are managing an investors money - to make sure you don't get screwed by someone who can talk the talk but not walk the walk.

Not only that, there are small projects that I would like to DP myself. So I really don't understand why you get on my case for asking questions, and yes, I did the best I could to answer everyone's follow ups).

From this discussion and what it has led me to investigate, it sounds like dynamic range is going to be more important that shooting in 4k.

Also, we have a lot of exteriors... and I was thinking that 2 point lighting on the subject would be enough... but I don't want to lose the background so having additional lights to bring out some of the details in the BG will be nice.

Can't wait to test this... with our DP of course ;)
 
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tokenwhiteboy said:
From this discussion and what it has led me to investigate, it sounds like dynamic range is going to be more important that shooting in 4k.
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I've "not worked with more than a DSLR", but I've worked very hard to learn everything I can about the whole process. My feelings are once you hit the 2K mark, two things get way, way more important; Dynamic Range and bit-depth of colour. Going higher than 2K can allow for some extra cropping in post or to add some slight camera movement, but my next camera will be ~2K and higher DR and bit-depth. DR will make the lighting easier and more forgiving, and the bit-depth will make your colourists' job much easier.

Here's a pretty decent YT video on lighting for fire from Dances With Wolves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PQlmZCtZNA

CraigL
 
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From this discussion and what it has led me to investigate, it sounds like dynamic range is going to be more important that shooting in 4k.
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Kinda, but the point isn't really useful. Most of the cameras that have this, that also have the sensor size you want to capture the best image often have the ability to shoot in those high resolutions (or near to them anyway). DP/Directors also pay attention to the look and feel of a camera. Your post production workflow but budget can also alter what resolution you should shoot at. On top of that, codec is also something you may want to take into consideration. Media size, backup requirements, media costs and distributor deliverable requirements are also topics to consider.
 
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I was thinking that 2 point lighting on the subject would be enough
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It's not. Really not. Talk with a DP. Really.. Talk with a DP. Garbage in = garbage out.

At a basic level, you really want key, fill and back. Depending on your locations whether you need lights to fill up backgrounds. When you're shooting can also alter your requirements. Night time, day time, large locations, small locations, naturally lit, dark, locations without electricity, indoor, outdoor, they all have different requirements. The look and feel you're aiming at for the film can also change your lighting requirements.
 
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Sweetie said:
It's not. Really not. Talk with a DP. Really.. Talk with a DP. Garbage in = garbage out.

At a basic level, you really want key, fill and back. Depending on your locations whether you need lights to fill up backgrounds. When you're shooting can also alter your requirements. Night time, day time, large locations, small locations, naturally lit, dark, locations without electricity, indoor, outdoor, they all have different requirements. The look and feel you're aiming at for the film can also change your lighting requirements.
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I thought there would be some DPs here?
 
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tokenwhiteboy said:
I thought there would be some DPs here?
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There are. But as I've said, I can't give you any more than really general advice without knowing more about your film, and reading the script.

Feel free to shoot it through privately if you want, but the reason I and others advocate talking to your own DP is because they will/should know the needs of your film after reading the script and talking to you about it. That will change a lot of answers to questions.

Also, they'll be able to talk to you wit their lighting style in mind - you can tell me you want '2-point lighting' all you want, but if I were your DP, I'd be using a lot more than 2 lights.
 
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There are a handful of 4k monitors and TV's out there, but just like when HD, DVD, VHS and color TV were launched it's a slow adoption process. As technology gets better, prices cheaper and internet faster it'll be common place.

Rumor is the next batch of Apple displays will be 4k.
 
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