ai Multiple ai agents go live this week

Nate North

Nate North

I don't have long to chat today, But I thought I should at least drop in and mention this important historical milestone that's going on.

As of this month the very first ai agents are becoming available.

I've already got a few running but it's just the very beginning.

If you don't know what an ai agent is or how it relates to film i'll try to explain very briefly.

The ai is tools you've been working with so far have mainly created a piece of one type of content or another or answered questions for you.

Ai agents are something different, The next step in this logical progression. As the name suggests they do things on your behalf. Right now in this first month of availability this is limited to simple web tasks and unless you go ahead and build your own there are a lot of protective guardrails to keep you from doing things.

I'm completely overloaded with work on a dozen different fronts, But I did try launching the first ai agent task today, A simple task where the agent went out onto the web and searched exhaustively to find a few hundred public domain orchestra performances. While some chat platforms previously had the ability to check one or two websites, None of them would just work in the background for hours scouring hundreds or thousands of websites, And could not interact with them effectively.

Obviously it's only a matter of days until these agents are performing millions of tasks around the web such as trading stocks and doing large scale research projects autonomously.

I ran a couple of very simple tasks to create examples to show here. In this first task I asked it to find 5 interesting projects on indietalk.com, and list them in no particular order.

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In another example I asked it to list a few films from one of our members -

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These are simple examples but the main difference between what you're seeing before with Chat Bots is that These new agents can proactively interact with sites all over the web in real time and do not rely on out of date knowledge bases from years ago. They can also drill down to find specific information in ways not previously available. In this case I watched the agent use the search bar functionality on indetalk to create a list of scoopicman's recently discussed film projects.

This may not seem like a big deal right now on day one, But there is a huge amount of potential to be unlocked here, With the ability to ask a robot to stay up all night searching the web for X thing and writing a report for you the next morning. You can also automate the automators, "Hey robot once a day at 7 AM I want you to search the entire web and find out if anybody mentioned me or my films". "Hey robot, i'm selling my movie on these three platforms, can you search every night at 9:00 PM and email me a running tally of my sales daily. In the daily email please rank all the sites selling my movies in terms of sales over the past month, And use comments and metrics from each page to generate three bullet points suggestions per page that might help me more effectively market my film on the respective site."

People reading this are probably thinking that this is just the next gen version of Google, But I don't think it will be very long before everyone understands how big of a game changer this is. This technology is dangerous. Honestly they probably shouldn't have created it at all. Now that it's out in the wild, It's another arms race scenario. Even if I don't want to use this, I have to use it, because if I don't use it other people will and then I will be destroyed because they could be 1000 times as efficient as I could be. I would encourage people to be responsible with this technology, Though I know that won't do any good at all. People should probably brace themselves for some upcoming issues as throngs of idiots abuse this thing horribly. An example would be that right now I could build a custom version of one of these that didn't have limitations and just ask it To go through every single thread on this form and post a response. I could tell it to do that every day, Or every hour. I could tell it to make a new user every time an account got banned. I could tell it to detect the reasons it was getting banned and start forming strategies To work around those. I could tell it to create five users and have them get into arguments with each other to boost the dramatic pull of the site.

I'm not going to do any of those things because essentially it would be harmful to the site. I'm just giving you some examples here. Right now people on the street don't have the capabilities that I'm talking about, only engineers like myself that can build custom code. However it's now less than a year until the general public could do exactly the kind of things that I'm talking about.
 
Agents now do Deep Dive Multi-Level Research with up to 30 minutes of dedicated processing time.

You can ask it...
"Compile a research report on film industry trends for indie drama films in the past 5 years."

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Perfect for any college students trying to avoid their homework. 🥷
 
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This is so much more practically useful than an AI model that's released 18 months after its training data. If you build your own then no 30 minute limit and you can just leave it running all night, My problem is I've only got so many processors and so many jobs to do that I can't really afford to leave one of these running all night unless I have a good reason.

There's definitely a time coming when I will have a good reason though, so I'm trying to put together enough cash to buy another $5000 computer just to run one of these things 24/7. When you have control over them you can set them to be proactive too which is something open ai won't let you do. Like "hey Robot, why don't you go setup fundraisers for my new indie film in 61 languages across 173 countries and just check in in a week or so when you're done and tell me how much money you've collected"
 
All I can see now are these AIs tearing around the web, desperately setting up web pages, monitoring each other's activity, compiling reports for people who are too busy to read them, and ultimately making turning the rest of the internet into the sort of uselessness that is LinkedIn.

I'm still waiting for any AI to show that it can hand-stitich a few hundred stone beads onto a dancer's outfit and wear it to a costume ball, where real-world interactions stimulate real-world creativity.
 
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All I can see now are these AIs tearing around the web, desperately setting up web pages, monitoring each other's activity, compiling reports for people who are too busy to read them, and ultimately making turning the rest of the internet into the sort of uselessness that is LinkedIn.

I'm still waiting for any AI to show that it can hand-stitich a few hundred stone beads onto a dancer's outfit and wear it to a costume ball, where real-world interactions stimulate real-world creativity.
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In the Silicon Valley I used to go jogging back and forth to the gym three times a week, and on the route that I jogged, was the linkedin national headquarters. I don't have a long story about this one I just wanted you guys to know that the actual national headquarters of Linkedin is literally smaller than a Taco Bell. The amount of noise that has come out of that one tiny building never ceases to amaze me.

I agree that the future is going to be...... insane. Just like you say. Look at it from the perspective of someone born into this era though. I grew up in a small town and there was a man who played banjo. He was pretty good, And he would play for little groups of people and small gigs ranging from 20 to up to 200 on rare occasion. He ended up with a home a business a family and a retirement savings that could provide him with medical care for the rest of his life. That was what you could build up to with an audience that averaged around 50 people.

Today based on YouTube ad revenue I'll need a revolving door subscription base of around 20 million people to equivocate that same level of income. Twenty million people worth of videos that need to be produced. 20 million people writing emails that need to be answered. 20 million people that will drop me like a bad habit the second I try to get off the treadmill and rest for one second. That's about what it will take to have a steady income of maybe 100 K a year. At my age that's what I'll need to halfway to genuine financial security by retirement age.

Lois (the banjo player) Only needed to show up to a high school classroom or local festival a few dozen times a year, And was able to gather enough money to start his own music store by carrying around a 4 pound banjo in a city 3 miles wide. His house cost him $62,000 but if I wanted to buy it today it would be over 700,000.

I don't think overrunning the entire world with a billion AIs is a good idea either, but I'm not sure exactly what I'm supposed to do here. I cannot physically answer 20 million people worth of mail. I cannot make enough episodes to afford health care at $0.01 on the dollar compared to what Hollywood insiders make for the same exact type of market success.

I'd encourage you to check out Rick Biato's channel. He's doing quite well but he had to do it outside the system, No nepotism, no overwhelming salary that's 1% job and 99% political affiliation. He's had to work 13 years and is just now coming into his own with five million subscribers and more on the spinoff channels, Plus five times that many regular viewers that simply didn't subscribe. It's only in the last few years that he's made a very good living from his work.

My point is that unreasonable times call for unreasonable measures. It's really not possible for one lone person with no money to handle the infrastructure necessary to develop and maintain a fan base of 25 or 100 million people, In order to accrue 10% of the money Hulk Hogan was handed for dancing around in yellow tights and pretending the wrestle people. Moving forward individuals are going to need some automation to compete with the corporate forces that have drained all the money out of the world until none of us can get paid anymore because 1/3 Of the GNP is in the hands of 1% of the people. 84% lands in the bank accounts of 20% of people. People who are asked to work 800 hours a week to make the same amount of money people used to get paid for 40 hours a week are going to gravitate towards more powerful solutions to multiply the effectiveness of their time. I'm not sure what people thought was going to happen when they mailed all the money to whoever inherited the most from 1980 to 2020. Last month Americans sent over $700 million to a person born into an inheritance of over $413,000,000. I think it's a certainty that people receiving a stick this short are going to be looking for a way to fight back.

I'd invite you to watch a section of this video which shows a few of those 1% of people bragging about the powerfully Intellectual work they do to deserve thousands of times the pay that a modern American civilian receives for lowly tasks such as coding or theoretical physics research.


Here's Rick playing a song he wrote that he never really got paid for, and never really went anywhere. I'm not a country music fan, but it's obviously a pretty good effort.

One generation earlier, here's Hulk Hogan's contribution to the creative zeitgeist. This and a painted styrofoam folding chair apparently Used to get you a twenty five million dollar retirement nest egg, no daily maintenance required. I guess the Hulkster won't be needing an AI to mass mail 100 million people in the hopes that he doesn't die in the charity wing of a local hospital.
 
Nate North said:
In the Silicon Valley I used to go jogging back and forth to the gym three times a week, and on the route that I jogged, was the linkedin national headquarters. I don't have a long story about this one I just wanted you guys to know that the actual national headquarters of Linkedin is literally smaller than a Taco Bell. The amount of noise that has come out of that one tiny building never ceases to amaze me.

I agree that the future is going to be...... insane. Just like you say. Look at it from the perspective of someone born into this era though. I grew up in a small town and there was a man who played banjo. He was pretty good, And he would play for little groups of people and small gigs ranging from 20 to up to 200 on rare occasion. He ended up with a home a business a family and a retirement savings that could provide him with medical care for the rest of his life. That was what you could build up to with an audience that averaged around 50 people.

Today based on YouTube ad revenue I'll need a revolving door subscription base of around 20 million people to equivocate that same level of income. Twenty million people worth of videos that need to be produced. 20 million people writing emails that need to be answered. 20 million people that will drop me like a bad habit the second I try to get off the treadmill and rest for one second. That's about what it will take to have a steady income of maybe 100 K a year. At my age that's what I'll need to halfway to genuine financial security by retirement age.

Lois (the banjo player) Only needed to show up to a high school classroom or local festival a few dozen times a year, And was able to gather enough money to start his own music store by carrying around a 4 pound banjo in a city 3 miles wide. His house cost him $62,000 but if I wanted to buy it today it would be over 700,000.

I don't think overrunning the entire world with a billion AIs is a good idea either, but I'm not sure exactly what I'm supposed to do here. I cannot physically answer 20 million people worth of mail. I cannot make enough episodes to afford health care at $0.01 on the dollar compared to what Hollywood insiders make for the same exact type of market success.

I'd encourage you to check out Rick Biato's channel. He's doing quite well but he had to do it outside the system, No nepotism, no overwhelming salary that's 1% job and 99% political affiliation. He's had to work 13 years and is just now coming into his own with five million subscribers and more on the spinoff channels, Plus five times that many regular viewers that simply didn't subscribe. It's only in the last few years that he's made a very good living from his work.

My point is that unreasonable times call for unreasonable measures. It's really not possible for one lone person with no money to handle the infrastructure necessary to develop and maintain a fan base of 25 or 100 million people, In order to accrue 10% of the money Hulk Hogan was handed for dancing around in yellow tights and pretending the wrestle people. Moving forward individuals are going to need some automation to compete with the corporate forces that have drained all the money out of the world until none of us can get paid anymore because 1/3 Of the GNP is in the hands of 1% of the people. 84% lands in the bank accounts of 20% of people. People who are asked to work 800 hours a week to make the same amount of money people used to get paid for 40 hours a week are going to gravitate towards more powerful solutions to multiply the effectiveness of their time. I'm not sure what people thought was going to happen when they mailed all the money to whoever inherited the most from 1980 to 2020. Last month Americans sent over $700 million to a person born into an inheritance of over $413,000,000. I think it's a certainty that people receiving a stick this short are going to be looking for a way to fight back.

I'd invite you to watch a section of this video which shows a few of those 1% of people bragging about the powerfully Intellectual work they do to deserve thousands of times the pay that a modern American civilian receives for lowly tasks such as coding or theoretical physics research.


Here's Rick playing a song he wrote that he never really got paid for, and never really went anywhere. I'm not a country music fan, but it's obviously a pretty good effort.

One generation earlier, here's Hulk Hogan's contribution to the creative zeitgeist. This and a painted styrofoam folding chair apparently Used to get you a twenty five million dollar retirement nest egg, no daily maintenance required. I guess the Hulkster won't be needing an AI to mass mail 100 million people in the hopes that he doesn't die in the charity wing of a local hospital.
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That Rick song is quite bland... AI makes better music
I have an internet friend that sends me AI music links such as this. 🤡 Explicit lyrics warning.

Hulk Hogan was so famous he's still on TV four decades later, of course he could cash in on his fame, I don't know what that's supposed to prove.
If you were even 10% as famous as hulk hogan was at his prime you could hock some dumb shit online and be a millionaire the next day, what meaning can we draw from that?
 
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That Rick song is quite bland... AI makes better music
I have an internet friend that sends me AI music links such as this. 🤡 Explicit lyrics warning.

Hulk Hogan was so famous he's still on TV four decades later, of course he could cash in on his fame, I don't know what that's supposed to prove.
If you were even 10% as famous as hulk hogan was at his prime you could hock some dumb shit online and be a millionaire the next day, what meaning can we draw from that?
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I think by the numbers they are probably equally famous, With about a third of Americans knowing who Rick Beato is. I guess I'm drawing a comparison of the amount of effort and intelligence it took for Rick to achieve that versus Hulk Hogan. I see people on youtube now broadcasting from their car where they sleep in a parking lot outside of a job where they work 40 hours a week. I get that a lot of people want to say that nothing has changed and that the world treats people as fairly as it ever did, But that's just not the story I see from statistics. I'm sure my example is fairly weak, It was partially intended as humor, Contrasting a complete idiot from one era with a genuine self-made success story from another.

What do you think this scene was about?

2.5 Portions for a day of work last week, .5 Portions for a day of work this week. Obviously that's fiction, but I don't really think I'm perceiving the situation incorrectly. Twenty years ago the house I live in cost less than one year salary at a 40 hour a week job. If I wanted to buy it today, I would need to work for 13 years. I would essentially have to sacrifice the rest of my working life doing the same job for the same number of hours to get what my parents got for working one year. So how do I fit 13 years of work into one year to get things back to normal? Robot Army. It's just a shame that it's come to this where people have to go such extreme measures to have what used to be a pretty normal American life.

While that example of Hulk may not make a particularly strong point, the statistics do. We've made a very long string of mistakes as a society, and there's no end in sight. People are going to be looking to augment their capabilities any way they can in order to survive the death spiral of financial inequality that's now reaching its apex. We're looking at a new generation who will never own homes, that's a first for America. Can you blame people for trying to use a robot assistant? Some of these people are literally going to die because they can't afford the help they need, even though they studied and worked hard just like their predecessors. That's going to cause desperate reactions, And my main point is that the flood of ai that's about to destroy the Internet is just such a reaction. Seeing this flood coming towards me, I'm investing in a boat instead of a picket sign, I guess time will tell how that works out.

As far as Rick's song, All country music sounds the same to me, But I definitely don't think it was worse than ai music, which in all honesty still has a long way to go. I'm all in on AI obviously, But I still have to write all the tracks on a guitar or a keyboard first and then hand it off to the AI, Because it's actually terrible at creative writing of any sort. That's also what was done in the link you provided. That's not an AI work, that's a hybrid work.

Anyway it's all probably a lot of useless talk. What I actually suspect will happen has nothing to do with any of this. I think high level stock traders will try to use ai to make unprecedented profit margins over the next three years, and it will cause the economy to implode. Nothing too shocking just an acceleration of exactly what's already been happening for decades.
 
He made a show that garnered 1.1 billion viewers, alone, with no outside funding. Contrast that to Disney's "biggest show of the year", which had a starting budget of over 700k per Minute aired, and got maybe 20 million views. He beat Disney this year, from his living room. I'd say at this point more people know the name Rick Beato than the name Aerosmith. I just checked, Rick's at 5.5 million subs, and Aerosmith is at 4.

He's just a calm reasonable person that does his job well. An increasing rarity, and viewers are showing up to watch.
 
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I'd say at this point more people know the name Rick Beato than the name Aerosmith. I just checked, Rick's at 5.5 million subs, and Aerosmith is at 4.
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You think because a YOUTUBE STAR has more YOUTUBE SUBSCRIPTIONS, that translates to being more famous in the real world?
This is the problem with being chronically online 😅
 
Nate North said:
My point is that unreasonable times call for unreasonable measures. It's really not possible for one lone person with no money to handle the infrastructure necessary to develop and maintain a fan base of 25 or 100 million people ... Moving forward individuals are going to need some automation to compete with the corporate forces that have drained all the money out of the world ... People who are asked to work 800 hours a week to make the same amount of money people used to get paid for 40 hours a week
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You live in a strange, strange world, Nate! :crazy: No-one has to work 800 hours a week, and no-one needs 25 million fans to validate their creativity.

There's still plenty of reasonableness in these times, and the only "unreasonable" measures one really needs to take are the showing of two fingers (or maybe just a middle one, if you're trying to save) to the "corporate forces".
 
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He made a show that garnered 1.1 billion viewers, alone, with no outside funding. ... I just checked, Rick's at 5.5 million subs
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Okay, I just watched Rick's video, and ... it kinda sounds like he's playing the same "why does no studio want to produce my movie? why is nobody chipping in to my kickstarter campaign?" tune. He talks about all those people pouring all those hours of their time into composing and recording a (single?) piece of music, and then it goes nowhere.

Well, yeah - that's what happens if you spend all those hours doing stuff on your own, and never interact with the kind of real people who will give you unvarnished feedback on what works and what doesn't. What works for them. As Rick so perfectly exemplifies, it doesn't matter how much you care about what you've done, or how great a producer you engage, or what kind of highest-of-high-spec technology you have at your disposal, you're still on the same creative level as any of the penniless bohemians dying of tuberculosis in a Parisian attic, thinking no-one appreciated their Art.

Contrast that with the group playing live at the event I was at on Saturday night. The sound system was well below the standard they deserved, but the hall was packed with people who'd come to see, hear and dance to their music. They played for two hours, they interacted directly with their audience, and at the end of the night, when the lights were turned up, and mics were turned off, the lead fiddler sat on a chair in the middle of the hall and played on for another hour, in the company of a dozen musicians who will probably never perform on a stage. And those of us still in a fit state to dance did so regardless of how many YouTube likes or subscribes any of them ever achieved.

That is one of the main reasons this "ordinary, everyday" group is playing gigs almost every weekend in France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland. They're not even on tour - they just turn up for the night and go home again in the morning.

 
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Nate North said:
I'd say at this point more people know the name Rick Beato than the name Aerosmith
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I asked my Google Home who was more popular per your example, and it said: "Aerosmith is not as popular as The Beatles, did you mean The Beatles? Because no one knows who the fuck this Beato guy is."
 
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