ai Sora (Video Generator) Now Available to Public

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We've been waiting since Feburary, the wait is over.


I'm looking forward to the wacky videos that get created.

  • ChatGPT Plus: $20 per month. This plan allows you to generate up to 50 videos per month at a resolution of 480p.
  • ChatGPT Pro: $200 per month. This plan offers 500 videos per month up to 1080p resolution, and longer video durations (up to 20 seconds)
The actual sora website is down right now due to traffic overload, so I cannot confirm those prices are correct
 
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Okay so I swapped in Sora for the animation stage of the pipeline and tested it today to see what would happen.


There's a lot more factors than visual quality when you're using something like this everyday and I have to say so far my review would be very mixed.

On the positive side:

1. It occasionally produces cool animation work From the images and direction I give it.

2. It goes up to 1080p which should be useful, see negative side.

3. The subscription includes a blanket access solution to multiple powerful tools that I can make good use of.

On the negative side:

1. In a lot of ways this is kind of overhyped garbage.

2. Useful results are pretty far and few between, but can occasionally surpass all previous models.

3. Interface is really bad for serious work on longer form content. It's fairly ideal for people that have written a 10 second film. In example every file has to be downloaded one at a time. For comparison the system I currently use will do about 500 at once. It's missing a lot of features other platforms have.

4. Credits are outlandishly expensive in comparison to their actual overhead, I'd be surprised if it's costing them $0.05 for a 1080p 10 second generation, but a $20 monthly subscription will only get you two of those. I ran about 200 animations in 720p last week on my local computer with a 4090, And that ran about $2. I'm sure their compute is between two and 4 times what mine is, But regardless it does not cost$10 to produce 1 1080p video clip. What's happening is that there was an investment rush at the beginning and they received $150 billion in Valuation, And promised shareholders a strong return on their investment. Right now they're making about $300 million a month, And they are so top heavy with early investment that the entire company will collapse if they can't triple that. So now it's time for us consumers to pay back that $150 billion loan 1 video at the time. Imagine if I was standing next to a washing machine and you asked me how much to rent the machine for a day and I told you it was $10,000 in overhead so I needed 12. Now imagine you found out that it cost $10 to run the washing machine that the washing machine itself cost $1000 and that I was paying myself a quarter million dollars a year to stand next to the washing machine and figuring that in the "overhead cost". If you use that insane logic then it kind of makes sense, Since you are only scraping by on the profit margins at 12 grand a day.

I bought the pro plan to research how useful or worthwhile it was, And was stopped from using my "unlimited" generations after about 20 short videos most of which were five seconds. In my current system I'm producing around two to 300 10 second videos per day with about 30% being useful. Sora stopped me from using my unlimited plan after 20 videos and told me to wait for "a while". It's too early to tell a lot of things, But if a while means a day like it does on other similar platforms, This is nearly useless to me. Keep in mind that not even all of the great shots actually end up in a film and it's a matter of what works in the edit, So let's say I bumped that up to 1080p and it's giving me 10 videos a day, I'm looking at three usable videos maybe one of which fits into the edit timeline in a way that tells the story. So to make a standard feature film you would have to check in all day and push the system to its limits in order to make a single feature film, And that's at $2400 a year. Honestly it's not the worst deal in the world if you were desperate to make a film and had two years 7 days a week to do it, But I'm really hoping that what I'm seeing right now is a growing pains thing and that we'll be getting far better service in the future. Unless Sora's offerings and competence change dramatically over the next month, I'll still be using my current system which is a dozen times cheaper in both time and money spent per minute of film produced.

In short it does some really cool things sometimes and is somewhat of a step forward, But simultaneously it's a step backwards in a lot of other ways and for that reason is much less useful than I had hoped. I paid for the month and this is day one, so I'll continue to use it for all the time I paid for and give a more nuanced review in a month.
 
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This is where you and @mlesemann agree! 🤣
I don't think it's so much that we disagree as that we are using very imprecise language that makes it sound like we are talking about the same thing even though that's not exactly the case.

Let's say I made a forum post where I said that I hate music because it's total garbage and they can't even sing or write lyrics. That statement is true sometimes and false other times depending on what kind of music you're talking about. The word music is simply way too broad. There's music that's atonal and everyone hates it, There's music with absolutely no redeeming value, And also there's a lot of absolutely fantastic music out there. I think for a real disagreement to take place we'd have to narrow it down a lot. One can easily hate the music of Cher and like the music of Tchaikovsky.

I think most of the things Mara says about ai are dead on...... Relative to certain types of ai used by certain types of people in certain situations. Greedy corpos are absolutely going to twist this technology into a way that serves their greed and screws over the public. Cheap artists with no talent or creativity will absolutely use stolen ideas and cheap copy paste composition.

However, There are also a lot of people who are simply going to use it in a legitimate way as a tool for creative expression that would have been beyond them financially. You know what a sampler is right? You can use it to steal a riff off of someone else's record, Or you can use it to sample your own recordings and patch them together. Really whether something becomes good or evil falls on the humans involved. Plutonium can power a bomb or a hospital, It's up to people what happens.
 
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How come no one ever uses their death star for goodness? 😥


death star GIF
 
How come no one ever uses their death star for goodness? 😥


death star GIF
Well, you could use one of those for a good purpose, but I think once you name it the "Death Star" that ship has sailed. AI is more like a reactor core. You could use it to power a combine that hunts puppies, or you could use it to refine the ocean into clean drinking water. Power has a lot of uses. That's all AI is, it's just more power. When corporations got ahold of a pen and paper, they used it to screw people, It's not the pen's fault. I'm 100% sure that every bad thing people say will come with AI will happen. But I don't think that because of what I know about AI, I think that because of what I know about people.
 
But I don't think that because of what I know about AI, I think that because of what I know about people.
I agree. I simply hate and refuse to be a party to a technology that makes it easier/faster/more efficient for the rich to get richer & more powerful at the expense of everyone else - at least, to the extent that I can control that. Big shows already steal ideas & dialogue from low budget stuff - it's happened to me and there's really nothing I can do about it. AI makes it easier and faster to steal and so I stay far far away - again, to the extent that I can.
 
OK so a bit of an update here. I've been using the chat gpt pro plan for a few days now, the one that includes unlimited sora access.

I have new information. For one thing I'm just going to say this bluntly, The version of Sora that they delivered to the public outright sucks. Seriously don't buy this. i'm actually pretty **** **** about it. Oh wow, microsoft won't let people swear anymore, that's fan **** tastic.

It took me a couple of days to figure out exactly what happened. All of the advertising materials we saw for Sora Were made using the large model or "Sora". When it came time to actually give the model to the public they quietly substituted "Sora junior", a scaled down model That doesn't work most of the time and provides trash results, But cost them a lot less to run. To give you an idea of how bad this is I think it's at around 1/7 of the quality of what we were promised and what I thought I was purchasing. Advertising made it sound like we would have access to Sora or Sora Turbo (junior), But what we got instead was a page that said Sora and offered only Sora junior under the Sora name.

So for a minute I was really upset and felt like I had been robbed of $200 since the service is basically unusable to me. I would note right here that there are four other services of a similar type that all were fine and didn't try to rip anybody off.

But hold on a second. My super premium openai subscription happened to come with a few other things so as long as I've lost all this money it would make sense to at least check them out.

That's when I met O1, The new model far beyond GPT 4 o. If I had to use iq as a metric I would say that it would land around 160. It's educated at or beyond the phd level in many significant fields.

It's not so much a conversational robot in the way that chat GPT is. It's a science robot. When I finish what I'm doing here I'll write an article explaining what's going on, But Suffice it to say that I got my $200 worth in about one day talking to this 160 IQ science robot. I'm throwing an extremely difficult and complex task at it, and honestly, it's knocking it out of the park.
 
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That's when I met O1, The new model far beyond GPT 4 o. If I had to use iq as a metric I would say that it would land around 160. It's educated at or beyond the phd level in many significant fields.

That's cool to hear.

OpenAI cancelled my subscription (expired credit card - renewal lost in mail) and I never bothered to sign up again.
I've been on the free version for months.
 
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