That's possible. Those movies really did stink, BTW. At least we can agree on that much!
Oh, and they have already announced Pirates 5 and 6, and I think Transformers 4 is a sure thing (even without Micheal Bay).
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New Blade Runner?!?!?
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That's possible. Those movies really did stink, BTW. At least we can agree on that much!
Oh, and they have already announced Pirates 5 and 6, and I think Transformers 4 is a sure thing (even without Micheal Bay).
That's possible. Those movies really did stink, BTW. At least we can agree on that much!
And, if I remember rightly, we share a mutual love of Gladiator (?)
Hells yeah!
Absolutely.
It would be great if they used all on camera effects instead of CGI. The set designers and effects creators for the original were pure genius at creating that Blade Runner world. It will interesting to see how the story and concept translates with current film technology.
Agreed, I'm totally in favor of compositing over CGI. An interesting case study in this is "Brahm Stoker's Dracula" which had no CGI at all. Coppola was given a big CGI crew by the studio, promtly fired the lot of them before production started, and hired his son to do all the effects in camera.
Film looks great. They built a book the size of a room at one point to do a narritive segment.
I liked blade runner much more when it came out in the 80s. But now days I just don't feel that blade runner was that great of a movie. Considering they had Harrison Ford in his prime the movie should have been better. I think my problem with the film is the characters for the bad guy and the creatures. I think in general the story was not that great. I am not really excited about the next bladerunner but I probably would watch it just to see what they do.
Now he just needs to hire Jeff Cronenweth, son of Jordan -- and the lenser of "Social Network" -- as cinematographer.
And though I'm a huge BR fan -- seen it at least 50 times -- critical distance from Scott is important, as he's also made some crap in between the gems. "G.I. Jane," anyone? "Someone to Watch Over Me"? "Black Rain"? All dogs.
And though I'm a huge BR fan -- seen it at least 50 times -- critical distance from Scott is important, as he's also made some crap in between the gems. "G.I. Jane," anyone? "Someone to Watch Over Me"? "Black Rain"? All dogs.
Personally, I loved Blade Runner, probably my favourite sci fi film ever. Maybe a new film will cover the off world experience. One of the original storyboards had a Blade runner on another planet as the opening scenes chasing after a replicant.
I read somewhere years ago that the world of Alien was set at the same time as that of Blade Runner. I`m not sure if that comment came from Ridley. The Nostromo in Alien has the same sort of navigation console as the spinner in BR with the Environ ctr purge screen. Fingers crossed that any new BR film will not turn out to be an alien comes to earth movie lol
I read somewhere years ago that the world of Alien was set at the same time as that of Blade Runner. I`m not sure if that comment came from Ridley. The Nostromo in Alien has the same sort of navigation console as the spinner in BR with the Environ ctr purge screen. Fingers crossed that any new BR film will not turn out to be an alien comes to earth movie lol
I always noticed that, but I think it was just Ridley doing some recycling.
Blade Runner is my favorite movie of all time--it does every single thing right in spades. I really hope they do it right...if they do it at all.
I don't mind them not doing the book exactly originally. The book was great, and so was the film. And I think the two writers adapted it well and made it work beautifully.
I trust in Scott. We'll see. I don't mind it sucking or hating it, just to see what they do with it.
I don't mind them not doing the book exactly originally. The book was great, and so was the film. And I think the two writers adapted it well and made it work beautifully.
I trust in Scott. We'll see. I don't mind it sucking or hating it, just to see what they do with it.
What I want to know is what is with the insistence on remaking the GOOD movies?
People should be remaking the movies that were good ideas with terrible execution.
Just saying.
People should be remaking the movies that were good ideas with terrible execution.
Just saying.
Well, obviously it's a commercial decision, cuz they've got a built-in fanbase.
In principal, though, I absolutely agree with you. Take a shitty movie that had a good concept, but was just poorly executed. Make it better.
Like all things commerce, that's just foreign to me.
It would be interesting to see what movies would be on that "Good Concept, needs a Mulligan" list. I'm trying right now, but the 14 hour days are beating my brain to a pulp so that's not happening.
I think, turning back to the remake discussion, the issue isn't the film itself, it's the nostalgic connection. Some people are too emotionally connected to a particular movie to accept a remake. Like me and Blade Runner. No matter how good of a movie he (Scott) makes it will never live up to my memory of experiencing the original as a child. Even if I could find ways in which a remake would be better, it won't live up to the nostalgia.
Which is interesting, tangentially, because nostalgia is an important component of the genre of films/fiction that BR occupies. Gah, nerding out again.
"Soldier"
For the record, I actually like that movie. However, it's a total B-movie, and I think it could reach a much wider audience, if done differently.
And if I'm ever in the position to make a multi-million dollar movie, I'm gonna do it!
Awesome.
On the subject of "cyborg super-soldier saves the little people" movies ...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117688/
Soldier had the advantage of being in space, Solo had Mario Van Peebles. It's a toss-up.
Still drawing a blank. I bet I think of something eventually tho.
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I have a soft spot for crappy movies too. Anything staring this guy:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0817275/
Is pretty high on my list of a good time.
I watched this in its entirety:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114467/
And spent the entire time laughing my ass off.
Somewhere I might still own a copy of this:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0271451/
Which is kinda awesome because it is the third version of this:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044706/
Which is an awesome movie.
Jeebus i am rambling.
Definitely bedtime. EVF repair and backfocus in the early morning. <_<
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first that comes to mind:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113220/
Virtual Reality AI programs are made corporeal (again, Avalon did a similar concept well).
Step 1: don't cast Don "the Dragon" Wilson
Step 2: don't cast anyone whose nickname is in quotation marks
Step 3: don't cast anyone without said nickname would be an action hero named Don Wilson
Step 4: If you are casting Michael Dorn as the voice of the villain, let him play the part
We could continue steps as long as we'd like, but the general concept of AI leaving the framework for which it has been programmed is a great one.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113220/
Virtual Reality AI programs are made corporeal (again, Avalon did a similar concept well).
Step 1: don't cast Don "the Dragon" Wilson
Step 2: don't cast anyone whose nickname is in quotation marks
Step 3: don't cast anyone without said nickname would be an action hero named Don Wilson
Step 4: If you are casting Michael Dorn as the voice of the villain, let him play the part
We could continue steps as long as we'd like, but the general concept of AI leaving the framework for which it has been programmed is a great one.
"Star Wars", episodes 1-3. God, I would've done those SO differently.
Movie opens with a brutal slave-escape, reminiscent of the opening to "Amistad". Annakin, a strong boy, @ 16 years-old, is working a tough day of manual labor, underneath the hot sun of Tattooine. Watto (who is human, in this version) is an overbearing, abusive slave-master, and on this day, he is being particularly physically abusive. Annakin just ain't havin' it.
Pushed to the brink by his captors, Annakin kills Watto, and any other sucker foolish enough to get in his way. With ferocity, Annakin escapes his captors, and heads towards home. Intent on scooping up mom, and freeing her as well, Annakin finds that the authorities have gotten there, before him. With a massive force of armed gaurds between he and mom, Annakin has absolutely no chance of freeing her, and wisely, but painfully and reluctantly, turns away to escape into the desert.
On some random mission, a young Obi Wan finds himself on Tattoine (Qui-Gon doesn't exist, Obi-Wan is already a master Jedi, and the convoluted political drama is virtually ignored). By chance encounter, Obi-Wan plays peace-keeper, and quells some random confrontation that Annakin was about to get into with some Hutts, or something. Whatever. They meet, and Obi-Wan immediately recognizes the force is strong in him (and there is no talk of any stupid fucking midichlorians).
Against Yoda's better judgement, Obi-Wan is allowed to train Annakin. But Yoda senses anger in him. It's rather obvious, actually; everyone sees it. Of course he's angry; he was raised as a fucking slave!
Needless to say, his training goes well, yadda yadda, and he shows great signs of controlling his anger. Way ahead of the rest of his class, Annakin becomes a master Jedi, and teams up with Obi-Wan to kick some clone-war ass!
But he still has momma on his mind. Also, he bangs Queen Amidala.
A war hero, after defeating the clone armies, Jedi Skywalker approaches the Jedi council, to tell them of his desires to free the slaves on Tattooine. The Jedi council is sympathetic, but they regretfully cannot intervene in Tattoine's politics. Tattooine is not part of the Republic/Empire, after all, and the Jedi aren't the Universe Police. Tattooine is ruled by the Hutts, and the Jedi are not about to get into a war with them.
But Annakin knows that what he is arguing for is morally correct. Because it is! The Jedi should be playing Universe Police, at least in this instance, and there is absolutely no moral justification for them to let politics get in the way of doing what it right! Plus, obviously, he wants to save momma.
So Annakin acts on his concious, does the right thing. Sets out to free the slaves of Tattoine, without the help of the Jedi. He knows he will lose his Jedi status, but he knows he's doing the right thing (and from the audience's perspective, he is). Amidala supports him, because she's a down-ass bitch.
That's a problem for the Jedi. They're all worried about inter-planet relations, and whatever, and they can't just have a rogue jedi kicking ass and taking names. They have no choice but to reel him in. Obi-Wan is ordered to (and wants to) lead a team of jedi on a mission to stop Annakin's plans from succeeding, and bring him back to Courescant for disciplinary action.
Annakin's revolt begins highly successfully. He's kicking ass all over Tattoine. Cruel slave-owners meet their just demise, and Annakin rallies a veritable army of freed slaves to take control of their planet.
By the time the jedi track down Annakin, he has freed his mom, but they are right in the midst of a major battle, between freed-slaves and the Hutts. The jedi want only to capture Annakin, and are of course not trying to harm him. Likewise, Annakin wants not to harm any jedi, but uses whatever (non-lethal) methods he has to, in order to avoid capture. Plus, he's right in the middle of the slave/Hutt battle, all while trying to keep momma safe, so he's doing some serious multitasking.
In the heat of the battle, Annakin's mother dies, partially because of an action that one of the jedi took. She dies right in front of Annakin, and the jedi appears to be complicit. Acting on pure emotion, Annakin erupts, killing said jedi.
Obviously, now the jedi/Annakin conflict is at a whole new level. With one of their own killed by Annakin, they're now taking lethal force against him, and he responds in the same. Needless to say, Annakin, coupled with his new-found Dark Side of the force, mops that handful of jedi up. In a flurry, he kills at least five or six, with ease, before the grand showdown with Obi-Wan.
And we know how it goes from there. Except, in my version, Obi-Wan is reduced to a slobbering bowl of tears, after nearly killing Annakin.
Movie ends with some sort of hopeful shot of Obi-Wan, on Tattooine, watching Luke from afar. Or, something like that.
Movie opens with a brutal slave-escape, reminiscent of the opening to "Amistad". Annakin, a strong boy, @ 16 years-old, is working a tough day of manual labor, underneath the hot sun of Tattooine. Watto (who is human, in this version) is an overbearing, abusive slave-master, and on this day, he is being particularly physically abusive. Annakin just ain't havin' it.
Pushed to the brink by his captors, Annakin kills Watto, and any other sucker foolish enough to get in his way. With ferocity, Annakin escapes his captors, and heads towards home. Intent on scooping up mom, and freeing her as well, Annakin finds that the authorities have gotten there, before him. With a massive force of armed gaurds between he and mom, Annakin has absolutely no chance of freeing her, and wisely, but painfully and reluctantly, turns away to escape into the desert.
On some random mission, a young Obi Wan finds himself on Tattoine (Qui-Gon doesn't exist, Obi-Wan is already a master Jedi, and the convoluted political drama is virtually ignored). By chance encounter, Obi-Wan plays peace-keeper, and quells some random confrontation that Annakin was about to get into with some Hutts, or something. Whatever. They meet, and Obi-Wan immediately recognizes the force is strong in him (and there is no talk of any stupid fucking midichlorians).
Against Yoda's better judgement, Obi-Wan is allowed to train Annakin. But Yoda senses anger in him. It's rather obvious, actually; everyone sees it. Of course he's angry; he was raised as a fucking slave!
Needless to say, his training goes well, yadda yadda, and he shows great signs of controlling his anger. Way ahead of the rest of his class, Annakin becomes a master Jedi, and teams up with Obi-Wan to kick some clone-war ass!
But he still has momma on his mind. Also, he bangs Queen Amidala.
A war hero, after defeating the clone armies, Jedi Skywalker approaches the Jedi council, to tell them of his desires to free the slaves on Tattooine. The Jedi council is sympathetic, but they regretfully cannot intervene in Tattoine's politics. Tattooine is not part of the Republic/Empire, after all, and the Jedi aren't the Universe Police. Tattooine is ruled by the Hutts, and the Jedi are not about to get into a war with them.
But Annakin knows that what he is arguing for is morally correct. Because it is! The Jedi should be playing Universe Police, at least in this instance, and there is absolutely no moral justification for them to let politics get in the way of doing what it right! Plus, obviously, he wants to save momma.
So Annakin acts on his concious, does the right thing. Sets out to free the slaves of Tattoine, without the help of the Jedi. He knows he will lose his Jedi status, but he knows he's doing the right thing (and from the audience's perspective, he is). Amidala supports him, because she's a down-ass bitch.
That's a problem for the Jedi. They're all worried about inter-planet relations, and whatever, and they can't just have a rogue jedi kicking ass and taking names. They have no choice but to reel him in. Obi-Wan is ordered to (and wants to) lead a team of jedi on a mission to stop Annakin's plans from succeeding, and bring him back to Courescant for disciplinary action.
Annakin's revolt begins highly successfully. He's kicking ass all over Tattoine. Cruel slave-owners meet their just demise, and Annakin rallies a veritable army of freed slaves to take control of their planet.
By the time the jedi track down Annakin, he has freed his mom, but they are right in the midst of a major battle, between freed-slaves and the Hutts. The jedi want only to capture Annakin, and are of course not trying to harm him. Likewise, Annakin wants not to harm any jedi, but uses whatever (non-lethal) methods he has to, in order to avoid capture. Plus, he's right in the middle of the slave/Hutt battle, all while trying to keep momma safe, so he's doing some serious multitasking.
In the heat of the battle, Annakin's mother dies, partially because of an action that one of the jedi took. She dies right in front of Annakin, and the jedi appears to be complicit. Acting on pure emotion, Annakin erupts, killing said jedi.
Obviously, now the jedi/Annakin conflict is at a whole new level. With one of their own killed by Annakin, they're now taking lethal force against him, and he responds in the same. Needless to say, Annakin, coupled with his new-found Dark Side of the force, mops that handful of jedi up. In a flurry, he kills at least five or six, with ease, before the grand showdown with Obi-Wan.
And we know how it goes from there. Except, in my version, Obi-Wan is reduced to a slobbering bowl of tears, after nearly killing Annakin.
Movie ends with some sort of hopeful shot of Obi-Wan, on Tattooine, watching Luke from afar. Or, something like that.
I was just watching "Runaway" (1984) and thinking this.