Need help with ideas on funding

So my producing partner and I have just started looking for investors for my directorial feature film debut. We are looking to raise anywhere from $500,000 to $2.5 million. It's a romantic thriller (think Match Point meeting The Ice Storm).

So far we have been contacting real estate agents and dentists. We just started three days ago so we hope as we contact more we get a lot of interests. A few real estate agents did say that they will get back to me.

Outside of crowdfunding ( I am just not popular enough) what else can I do? I had my agent submit my script to a production company for me. I have reached out to some stars (one of which actually seems interested). And I have video auditions for all of the roles. What is a good plan of action right now?

I tried to get another producer and line producer on board. But they have kinda flaked on me. But I figure with my producing partner that I don't really need another producer. Maybe a line producer once we get money.

I am probably going to look up some indie film production companies and send over the script as well. We are looking to shoot as early as April.

My last short has been submitted to Sundance, SXSW, Slamdance, and TriBeCa, and it will be submitted to several others. So when it gets into some of these festivals that will surely help.

Any ideas? Anyone interested in coming on board?
 
Audio your post is so toxic. Not trying to diss you. But damn. I can't tell if you want to give me advice, want to make me give up, or are just having a bad day.

I have been in the industry since 2012. I have acted in feature films, t.v shows, theatre, and music videos. I have written, produced, directed and starred in three shorts. I co composed the last. My last short was my best (shot on a red epic, great production value, great script, great acting). I have submitted that to Sundance, SXSW, Slamdance, TriBeCa and I got several other festivals that we are hitting. I feel good about it getting into some of those.

I say my script is badass due to not just confidence in myself. But based off of feedback from several people that I know will tell me if it's utter shit or not. That is the only reason I am going forward with this.

I believe in law of attraction and the power of visualization. If I have your attitude then I might as well never start.
 
I can't tell if you want to give me advice...

Give you advice. BTW, the industry can be way more "toxic" than my last post!

I have been in the industry since 2012. I have acted in feature films, t.v shows, theatre, and music videos. I have written, produced, directed and starred in three shorts.

Having made 3 shorts makes you a member of the amateur film world, not a member of the film industry. Having acted in feature films and TV shows only proves SOME experience/knowledge of the industry and only if they were professional films/shows, you had major roles and therefore significant experience. It still doesn't prove (to investors) that you would know how to wisely employ a 7 figure budget.

My last short was my best (shot on a red epic, great production value, great script, great acting). I have submitted that to Sundance, SXSW, Slamdance, TriBeCa and I got several other festivals that we are hitting. I feel good about it getting into some of those.

The example directors you gave didn't just get into the very top festivals (Sundance and Cannes for example), they excelled in that level of competition (winning top prizes and/or effusive critical acclaim). That's what attracted serious investment in their subsequent commercial features!

I say my script is badass due to not just confidence in myself. But based off of feedback from several people that I know will tell me if it's utter shit or not.

If those people are industry pros and if they think your script really is badass, why haven't they already answered your question (thread title) or put you in contact with people who can actively help? If they're not industry pros, then we're back to opinions which don't count for much.

I'm not trying to make you give up, although if my words do dissuade you, then you are too easily dissuaded to stand much chance in this industry, and giving up now would be better for you than later!

Self-confidence is a good (and for a director, an essential) thing. But, over confidence is not! Having a dream is also a good thing but trying to turn that dream into a reality without any understanding of the reality, virtually always ends in frustration and the death of the dream.

I believe in law of attraction and the power of visualization. If I have your attitude then I might as well never start.

I believe in playing the long game, developing talent and maximising the odds of achieving a series of ambitious but realistic goals. I don't believe in basing my plans on the hope of one big miracle!

G
 
Anyone who invests in a movie knows it's high risk.

Let me reword that for you. "Dumb money knows movie investment is high risk"

I'd give you a suggestion, though you'd call it toxic talk.

And they will invest because the script is badass and I am badass.

Sounds like you're set. Go forth and make your movie. You don't need us.

Good luck.
 
Audio: All I am really reading are a lot of limiting beliefs that you are trying to get me to believe. But that's not my way of thinking. Like yeah I am sure winning the grand jury award at Sundance doesn't hurt. But #1 I didn't get into this for awards (though I do believe that my short is good enough to win. #2 there are many great directors who didn't get into any of those big festivals. #3 there are people who have had their shorts get into Sundance who did nothing.

And one of the people who read my script was my producing partner. The other we're close friends who I trust. What is so special about an industry guy reading it unless he gets me money? I am not making it for him. I make films for my family, friends, people who think like me, and myself. And in the end of the day it's my opinion that matters. No one else. If I think it's worth making I will make it.


You say you are a realist. There are three ways to go about life. Being a realist, being a pessimist, and being an optimist. I choose to be an optimist. Why let things stop you from going after what you want? If you expect good things they will come to you. Nothing to do with miracles. You attract what your subconscious wants. That's why you are where you today.

I can't believe that negative talk on this forum. I know filmmaking is hard. But we got to stay positive and supportive. Too many limiting beliefs.

Sweetie: So you honestly think that every investor expects to get rich off of a movie? Look at the (good) films that have lost money. Though like I said with all the avenues that you go through and if you keep the budget low it's kinda hard to not make some money.

But I will be fine.

Mogul: Another limiting belief. How many filmmakers have made their first feature without their family?
 
if you keep the budget low it's kinda hard to not make some money.

If this were the case, why don't you think more movies in the 1-2mil budget range aren't being made if making a profit is really that easy?

I can't believe that negative talk on this forum. I know filmmaking is hard. But we got to stay positive and supportive. Too many limiting beliefs.

This is the biggest load of hogwash. Delusions of grandeur have nothing to do with being positive and supportive. Lets say your plan for long life is to "Every morning, jump naked from the cliff face of the grand canyon". I'm doing you no favors supporting this ill conceived plan... then again, I do believe in Darwinism so I'm conflicted.

So you honestly think that every investor expects to get rich off of a movie?

Not even close. The chance of a breakaway micro-budget film making an investor rich is about 20000:1 if not worse odds. Most intelligent investors look for appropriate returns for appropriate risks. If they were looking for a gamble, you'd have a hard time explaining to them why they're better off investing in you instead of going to a casino. They're likely to get a better chance and rate of return from the casino than most unproven first time film makers.

I believe you are overestimating some things and underestimating others. One thing is clear to me, you are woefully ill prepared to get financing for your film. If you're in pre production without a business plan, you're a recipe for disaster. I really wish you weren't. Lets be clear. I'm talking about your film being ready for financing. Nothing more, nothing less. I have no idea on the quality of your script and/or concept or your ability as a film maker.

If you want to get your film financed, learn what it takes to get a film financed. It's both simple and complicated at the same time.

If I think it's worth making I will make it.

Then make it. Don't let money be your limiting factor. Make it. Go and start today.

Nolan made a no budget film and then progressed to small budget and the rest of the story everyone knows. There are some film makers who managed to progress quickly into higher budget films. The most recent notable one that I can think of is Wes Ball who directed the Maze Runner. To hear how he came to get the directors chair is a very inspirational story for sure.

So you're right, it can happen. Pick your path and make it happen. Plan B, Plan C, hell, even Plan Z it. Do whatever it takes to make it happen. Know your goal and make your way towards that goal.

As for limiting beliefs, it sounds like you're into Tony Robbins or a wannabe I-Can-Do-It-Too clone. What's the difference between positive thinking and delusional thinking? There's heaps of other quotes. The world is run by unreasonable people. The world rewards those who go out and do it. It doesn't reward wanna-be's. Don't be that one who let their whole world collapse because they weren't given permission (the 1-2mil) to make their one and only film.

GO OUT AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.
 
So my producing partner and I have just started looking for investors for my directorial feature film debut. We are looking to raise anywhere from $500,000 to $2.5 million. It's a romantic thriller (think Match Point meeting The Ice Storm).

So far we have been contacting real estate agents and dentists. We just started three days ago so we hope as we contact more we get a lot of interests. A few real estate agents did say that they will get back to me.

Outside of crowdfunding ( I am just not popular enough) what else can I do? I had my agent submit my script to a production company for me. I have reached out to some stars (one of which actually seems interested). And I have video auditions for all of the roles. What is a good plan of action right now?

I tried to get another producer and line producer on board. But they have kinda flaked on me. But I figure with my producing partner that I don't really need another producer. Maybe a line producer once we get money.

I am probably going to look up some indie film production companies and send over the script as well. We are looking to shoot as early as April.

My last short has been submitted to Sundance, SXSW, Slamdance, and TriBeCa, and it will be submitted to several others. So when it gets into some of these festivals that will surely help.

Any ideas? Anyone interested in coming on board?
the first question is why do you need that much and why should people give it?

your gap shows you have no idea and are just fishing for money. Destined for well you fill in the blanks..

Me me me generation
 
If this were the case, why don't you think more movies in the 1-2mil budget range aren't being made if making a profit is really that easy?
I am speaking more in the long run with DVD/blu ray sales. Scott Pilgrim v.s the world (a huge studio film) bombed on it's initial release. But since then it's made plenty of any with DVD and blu ray sales.



This is the biggest load of hogwash. Delusions of grandeur have nothing to do with being positive and supportive. Lets say your plan for long life is to "Every morning, jump naked from the cliff face of the grand canyon". I'm doing you no favors supporting this ill conceived plan... then again, I do believe in Darwinism so I'm conflicted.
You MUST dream big. It may sound delusional to others. But those people I mentioned thought it was possible to get $1 million or $2 million to make their film and they did just that. Your example is 100% irrelevant. I am talking about going after what you want in life.



Not even close. The chance of a breakaway micro-budget film making an investor rich is about 20000:1 if not worse odds. Most intelligent investors look for appropriate returns for appropriate risks. If they were looking for a gamble, you'd have a hard time explaining to them why they're better off investing in you instead of going to a casino. They're likely to get a better chance and rate of return from the casino than most unproven first time film makers.
That's why you go and find someone who wants to roll the dice. It happens.


I believe you are overestimating some things and underestimating others. One thing is clear to me, you are woefully ill prepared to get financing for your film. If you're in pre production without a business plan, you're a recipe for disaster. I really wish you weren't. Lets be clear. I'm talking about your film being ready for financing. Nothing more, nothing less. I have no idea on the quality of your script and/or concept or your ability as a film maker.
There is nothing wrong going in a little ill prepared. I'm doing my research, learning, watching videos about this, reading about this. You see it as a recipe for disaster. I see it as jumping in and making shit happen.

If you want to get your film financed, learn what it takes to get a film financed. It's both simple and complicated at the same time.



Then make it. Don't let money be your limiting factor. Make it. Go and start today.

Nolan made a no budget film and then progressed to small budget and the rest of the story everyone knows. There are some film makers who managed to progress quickly into higher budget films. The most recent notable one that I can think of is Wes Ball who directed the Maze Runner. To hear how he came to get the directors chair is a very inspirational story for sure.

So you're right, it can happen. Pick your path and make it happen. Plan B, Plan C, hell, even Plan Z it. Do whatever it takes to make it happen. Know your goal and make your way towards that goal.

As for limiting beliefs, it sounds like you're into Tony Robbins or a wannabe I-Can-Do-It-Too clone. What's the difference between positive thinking and delusional thinking? There's heaps of other quotes. The world is run by unreasonable people. The world rewards those who go out and do it. It doesn't reward wanna-be's. Don't be that one who let their whole world collapse because they weren't given permission (the 1-2mil) to make their one and only film.

GO OUT AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.

Yes Nolan did make his first film for $8,000 and has made a hell of a career out of it. I can't argue with that. But I am sure he tried to get as high of a budget for that film that he could. But that was all that he could muster. If anything I'll say I shouldn't be so hard pressed on the budget and being willing and able to make it for a lot cheaper if I have to. But that's only if I have to.

I am not into Tony Robbins. But I am into the the laws of attraction and visualization. It's already worked in my life as far as getting jobs (acting and not acting) and even getting my last short done.

I am not saying that I am going to sit here and wait for it to happen. I am taking action and everyday getting closer to making this film happen. But having any limitations will be the death of it.

At the end of the day I will go for the goal amount. And in the end if I get only $100,000 then I will find a way to make a great film with that.

the first question is why do you need that much and why should people give it?

your gap shows you have no idea and are just fishing for money. Destined for well you fill in the blanks..

Me me me generation

I just don't want to work with ultra low budgets. It is extremely stressful. The budget will allow us to make this film comfortably, get some bigger names attached, take the time we need without worrying about people flaking due to not having their usual rate (I had to wait nearly two months to do my last short due to DPs going to work on projects with bigger budgets).

It's just not fun and I haven't found anyone that I can trust.
 
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There is nothing wrong going in a little ill prepared.

Depends on your definition of a little I suppose. If you were almost there, I'd be pushing you towards your budget. You're a little way towards being ready, and that's great. The problem is you don't know what you need to know. They do say ignorance is bliss.

Who knows, you may prove me wrong.

Yes Nolan did make his first film for $8,000 and has made a hell of a career out of it. I can't argue with that. But I am sure he tried to get as high of a budget for that film that he could.

No. No he didn't. Nolan understood that his quickest way to success was to prove himself before asking an investor for 7 figures.
 
I can't believe that negative talk on this forum. I know filmmaking is hard. But we got to stay positive and supportive. Too many limiting beliefs.

I know how negative this forum can get sometimes, I went through it when I was making my first feature. But you have to understand we are talking about odds and general industry trends here. All we have to go on is your word that your script is good, and we are just trying to make sure you understand how incredibly rare it is for a first time filmmaker to get 7 figures regardless of the script. You can name a dozen or so examples of how some other filmmaker did it and turned it into a career, but how about the many thousands of others who failed and nobody ever heard of them?

I think the general consensus here is that you should definitely go ahead and be ambitious and try for that overnight success, but there is a much more common way to to go about building a career, and that way takes dedication and years of natural progression. It takes much longer than the 3 years you've been "working in the industry." If you ask most successful people how they got their big break, they usually don't have a solid answer, it's a series of small breaks that make the career over time.
 
As long as your latest short is invisible it will be tough to convince people to invest.
Smart investors not only want to know whether you can make that bad ass movie, but also know how to handle the money and not blow it on being cool.
(Which reminds me of rumors about Ulvers 'Nattens Madrigal' record: it is said the used the money to buy suits and cars and then ventured into the woods with a taperecorder to record their third album.)

On the other hand: if you don't try, you'll never succeed.

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Plan B, Plan C, hell, even Plan Z it.....
Plan Z is from outer space!
It requires even more budget... ;)
 
Like yeah I am sure winning the grand jury award at Sundance doesn't hurt. But #1 I didn't get into this for awards (though I do believe that my short is good enough to win. #2 there are many great directors who didn't get into any of those big festivals. #3 there are people who have had their shorts get into Sundance who did nothing.

#1 You're the one who referenced directors who succeeded via the route of top festivals, so now you're saying the list of examples YOU gave was not representative of the route to success you wish to take? Can you list any directors who are good examples of success via the route you're suggesting?

#2 There are indeed several other routes to making it as a director, all of them as far as I'm aware, consisted of hard work via the long game, rather than expecting a 7 figure budget for their first feature.

#3, Yes, the vast majority in fact.

And one of the people who read my script was my producing partner.

If s/he really is a producer, then s/he already knows how to fund a feature and there was no point in starting this thread!

What is so special about an industry guy reading it unless he gets me money?

Nothing whatsoever! Again though, you're the one looking to get into the industry, you're the one looking for those in the industry to supply you with a million dollars and you're the one who is going to have to work with industry guys.

I make films for my family, friends, people who think like me, and myself. And in the end of the day it's my opinion that matters. No one else. If I think it's worth making I will make it.

Fine, no problem with that approach at all, except of course that if you're making the film for yourself and your friends and family then you, your friends and family are going to have to fund it! Why would an investor give you a million dollars to make something for you and your family? If you want an investor to give you THEIR money, it's obviously THEIR opinion "that matters", not yours!

How many filmmakers have made their first feature without their family?

Plenty, tens of thousands probably, but that's irrelevant to your stated situation. How many have made their first feature with a 7 figure budget supplied by unrelated investors to someone with no prior directing experience? So far you've failed to name a single example!

You MUST dream big. It may sound delusional to others.

No one here thinks that dreaming big is bad or should be avoided. It's only delusional when trying to make that dream reality and expecting reality to conform to your dream rather than the other way around!

Audio: All I am really reading are a lot of limiting beliefs that you are trying to get me to believe. But that's not my way of thinking.

Your "way of thinking" or my personal beliefs (limiting or otherwise) have absolutely no influence whatsoever on how the film industry actually operates in reality. To believe otherwise is truly delusional!!!

But those people I mentioned thought it was possible to get $1 million or $2 million to make their film and they did just that.

You now seem to be resorting to outright lies to support your delusion! All the people you mentioned: Studied formally for years and built a network of influential industry pros to aid them. Made truly exceptional shorts or nano/micro budget films first. Achieved significant success in a closely related field first. Worked their way through the professional ranks first. Or, any combination of the above. Not one of them did "just" that, they all did a considerable amount before the "that" you're referring to (being given a 7 figure film budget)!

That's why you go and find someone who wants to roll the dice. It happens.

Does it? You've failed to give one single example of "it happening".

Sure, investing in film is somewhat of a gamble but NO ONE invests 7 figures in a film without trying to stack the odds in their favour. Investing 7 figures in a film and engaging a complete novice to make it, is doing the exact opposite and stacking the odds against their favour. Why would investors deliberately stack the odds against themselves for no gain? When you can answer that question (to the satisfaction of investors), you will have answered your thread's question!

But I am into the the laws of attraction and visualization. It's already worked in my life as far as getting jobs (acting and not acting) and even getting my last short done.

Have any of your jobs or your last short involved someone giving you a million dollars to complete something you've never attempted before?

I am taking action and everyday getting closer to making this film happen. But having any limitations will be the death of it.

No film that I'm aware of has ever been made without "any limitations". As the budget gets bigger so does the expectation of the investors (and the consumers). If creating without limitation is your goal, you should look at philosophy or some other conceptual art, you won't find what you're looking for in the film industry.

And in the end if I get only $100,000 then I will find a way to make a great film with that.

If you can find a way to make a great film for $100k, why are you looking for $2.5m? Or more appropriately, why would anyone give you 2.5m to make a great film if it could be done for $100k?

I just don't want to work with ultra low budgets. It is extremely stressful. The budget will allow us to make this film comfortably ... It's just not fun and I haven't found anyone that I can trust.

These statements are not why you should get your funding, they are in fact exactly the reason why no one will give you the funding you're after!! Having a bigger budget certainly solves some of the difficulties faced by no budget filmmakers but it introduces a whole bunch of new ones. The aforementioned higher expectation of investors and consumers, higher technical specifications to meet and higher earnings to break even, just to name a few. Filmmaking doesn't get less stressful as the budget increases, it gets more stressful! That you don't even appear to know this basic fact, let alone have experience of it or a proven record of excelling under those conditions is precisely why you won't find anyone in their right mind to fund your film! Again, NO ONE is going to give you $500k - $2.5m so that you can make a $100k film and use the rest to have "fun". ALL investors want a film which is better than the budget indicates, regardless of whether the budget is $200k, $200m or anywhere in between!

The very fact that you asked this thread's question (essentially; "how can I raise $500k - $2.5m to make/direct my film"), indicates that you won't get it and that you wouldn't know what to do with it, even if by some miracle you did get it! Finding out how to raise a 7 figure film budget just requires a few hours with google and a modicum of research ability, it's a pathetically easy task compared to either; 1. Actually fulfilling the conditions required to attract that level of funding OR 2. Actually making a successful film with that budget. If you can't figure out this first "pathetically easy" task, how much chance is there that you'll succeed with the subsequent, infinitely more difficult tasks?

In short, your question indicates a level of ignorance which precludes you from achieving your goal! You have essentially 3 options going forward: 1. Cling to your ignorance, rail against/insult all those who point out that your ignorance is what's holding you back, hope for a miracle and in all likelihood be forced to give up your goal, 2. Voluntarily give up your goal, go and make a ton of cash doing something else and fund your own films in a decade or so or 3. Put in the time and effort to cure your ignorance and develop the skills and experience to take advantage of that new found knowledge. #1 has zero or virtually zero chance of success, #3 has a slim chance of success, as does #2 but, #3 gives you a much better chance of making a good film if/when you do acquire a significant budget.

I'll take a slim chance over essentially no chance every single time, if it's something I'm serious about. The question is, are YOU serious?

G
 
Moon: No one wants to make a low budget film. Plain and simple. If I have to I know how. But I am trying to avoid that.

WalterB: I have already submitted my short to festivals and continue to do so. If you talking about putting it online that will disqualify me from certain festivals that I have submitted to (TriBeCa does not allow you to have your film on a site that is accessible to the public).

Audio take your negative talk somewhere else. All you are doing is motivating me more to get the budget that I want to get the budget that I want. Whenever someone tells me that I cannot do something that motivates me in more ways than you could even think of.

I keep forgetting that filmmaking is not a brotherhood. No one wants you to succeed. Too much ego involved.
 
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I am speaking more in the long run with DVD/blu ray sales. Scott Pilgrim v.s the world (a huge studio film) bombed on it's initial release. But since then it's made plenty of any with DVD and blu ray sales.



You MUST dream big. It may sound delusional to others. But those people I mentioned thought it was possible to get $1 million or $2 million to make their film and they did just that. Your example is 100% irrelevant. I am talking about going after what you want in life.



That's why you go and find someone who wants to roll the dice. It happens.


There is nothing wrong going in a little ill prepared. I'm doing my research, learning, watching videos about this, reading about this. You see it as a recipe for disaster. I see it as jumping in and making shit happen.



Yes Nolan did make his first film for $8,000 and has made a hell of a career out of it. I can't argue with that. But I am sure he tried to get as high of a budget for that film that he could. But that was all that he could muster. If anything I'll say I shouldn't be so hard pressed on the budget and being willing and able to make it for a lot cheaper if I have to. But that's only if I have to.

I am not into Tony Robbins. But I am into the the laws of attraction and visualization. It's already worked in my life as far as getting jobs (acting and not acting) and even getting my last short done.

I am not saying that I am going to sit here and wait for it to happen. I am taking action and everyday getting closer to making this film happen. But having any limitations will be the death of it.

At the end of the day I will go for the goal amount. And in the end if I get only $100,000 then I will find a way to make a great film with that.



I just don't want to work with ultra low budgets. It is extremely stressful. The budget will allow us to make this film comfortably, get some bigger names attached, take the time we need without worrying about people flaking due to not having their usual rate (I had to wait nearly two months to do my last short due to DPs going to work on projects with bigger budgets).

It's just not fun and I haven't found anyone that I can trust.
I'm doing a large film myself right now. all by myself ya its hard. But your a nobody so what do you expect?
you should be able to make a great film for 100 000 . Without being great you wont ask for that much money. To get something in life you have to feel deservant. you havent earned it. Living in LA if you felt that you wouldnt be on here. You'd be talking to someone with real success or experience. But your afraid of the real answers
 
David: How do you know that I haven't earned it? After my last short film I looked of the quality and reflected back at the job I did and said to myself "I am ready". I know what I would do with a $2.5 million budget. I know I could make it look like a $50 million film (my short cost only $1,000 but you wouldn't even know it).

I was just trying to get ideas from everywhere. I am attending a few meetups about getting your film financed in L.A, I actually don't know too many producers out here as I have self financed my shorts. But I guess it was a bad idea to come on here.
 
Let's slightly change the subject to make a positive discussion out of this thread. Does anyone here like doing low budget films?

Personally, I've only ever done things on a low/no budget, but I really don't mind as as long as I have a core group of dedicated people. I tend to be very hands on so I like to be involved in every aspect of the filmmaking process, which is not always an option on higher budget films.
 
I was just trying to get ideas from everywhere. I am attending a few meetups about getting your film financed in L.A, I actually don't know too many producers out here as I have self financed my shorts. But I guess it was a bad idea to come on here.

Why don't you pop the trailer for your most recent short on here or even the short before it that you rate very highly? If it's an incredible trailer, or if your last short was outstanding, you might elicit the advice you need.

I have a few ideas as am beginning to get involved a little in film financing. If you're anywhere this market in Europe, the biggest single film financing expo in London took place last Monday - Wednesday so you've kinda missed it.

Pop it on and we can figure out what we're dealing with.
 
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