Maintaining momentum (and interest) in indie work

I am part of a very independent (no budget) episodic production that is slated to begin filming shortly. We have been in pre-production for a few months, as every person participating is doing this in exchange for the experience and credit. I am one of two "creators", the writer, and part of the small ensemble cast.

This is the first project that we have written and worked on that has reached the actual "shoot" stage. Another reached the first read-through and rehearsal, and a few others are still in the story writing stage. (I am also writing for an episodic for someone else, but that has nothing to do with this project).

One of our many challenges is scheduling the actors and small crew. We have two "crew members" who agreed to be our DP and PA. They committed to the first shoot date - which is IMMINENT - and suddenly, have "disappeared". They won't return calls or emails to confirm call time/equipment usage regarding the upcoming shoot, let alone committing to future shoot dates that we are trying to schedule (one day a month). Everyone has day jobs and we are all trying to make it in our own areas of interest and expertise, but I don't understand the non-communication .

Because this is a very small production (I can only help during production during the first shoot day because I am not in that episode, and won't be able to help much during future shoots because I am in about 1/4-1/3 of future scenes). We are considering looking elsewhere for assistance, but given the timing of our shoot, it's virtually impossible to get someone new on board and up to speed for this week. It bugs me because person involved has training and (some paid) experience, but just haven't made the leap from hobby to professional (yet). When they agreed, they were just as excited as we (the creators) and the cast were.

Is this common in no-budget projects? (I can guess the answer to my question, but I wanted to hear it from those of you who have been through it). How do you deal? Rhetorical question, but why the avoidance? If you want to quit, just say so....don't flake!

Thank you in advance for listening.
 
It's basically an unpredictable situation with people. When there's low/no pay, enthusiasm is hard to achieve.

People "flaking" does happen. Only the absolute serious ones will do what they say, and until they actually do it...
 
That is very common. There is no way to know why some people
flake rather then just tell you they can't work on your project.

The way I deal with it is to move forward as quickly as possible and
find new people. You say it's virtually impossible to get someone
new on board and up to speed for this week. That means you can't
shoot this week.
 
It's basically an unpredictable situation with people. When there's low/no pay, enthusiasm is hard to achieve.

People "flaking" does happen. Only the absolute serious ones will do what they say, and until they actually do it...

I know this. I also know that they are trying to make a name for themselves as well. In my area, the industry is very insular - everyone knows everyone.

It's just that these people who have attended rehearsal, read throughs, and meetings, whose schedules we worked around, proactively offered knowledge about this and that, offered to share equipment - these people were both very enthusiastic about the project. Until this week, they were both gung-ho, and now, they just won't get back to us. Nothing changed. We tried to confirm a few times over the past week, first as a general "everybody in?" email, then personal contact.

If there is a problem, a time conflict, their cat died, or they just don't want to do it, fine. Just TELL me. Don't leave me - and everyone involved - hanging. When do I assume they're out? I know you can't answer that question, but I'm at a loss. Thank you for taking a moment to share.
 
That is very common. There is no way to know why some people
flake rather then just tell you they can't work on your project.

The way I deal with it is to move forward as quickly as possible and
find new people. You say it's virtually impossible to get someone
new on board and up to speed for this week. That means you can't
shoot this week.

Thank you for your input. I really appreciate you being straight with me.

We're going ahead with the shoot this weekend, and making do with what we have. It's not ideal by any means, but I want to at least try. The actors have committed their time and effort, and I want to at least give them the opportunity to do their thing. Luckily, the script is short (about 6 minutes), so we can likely get it done in a day (we have it story boarded, the shot list is made, it's a one-location shoot with only 2 setups and a few closeups/medium shots).

If this project ends with one episode, we will have at least tried. I will try to update here no matter what happens, because I think that we can all learn from each other, even through failures.
 
Good news - one of our wayward crewmembers found his way back to my messages and confirmed he will be there. However, our lead actor just announced that after the first episode, he is no longer able to shoot on weekends - which is the only time everyone else is available. He was one of the most excited members of the project.

We're continuing to shoot the first part this weekend, as the story line actually allows for "turnover" of characters. However, getting someone new to commit to an ongoing project will be a challenge. This will also require new scripts and a casting call, which we weren't prepared to do until May. Lastly, we are scouring for at least one more crew person to play a few roles should our existing "crew" go missing again.

Well, this is turning into a play-by-play of the dirty details of pre-production. I hope that my story doesn't annoy anyone too much. If there is a more appropriate forum to put this in, MODS, please go ahead and move it.
 
Like Iv said before.. "The graveyard is full of irreplaceable people" Get a new lead, you got, what three days.. how hard can it be (lol)

And PLEASE keep the play by play going, it gives us armchair types a vicarious life! :)
 
I haven't started multi character films yet, and reading this reminds me (of others I've seen) of the difficulties that can be had when you're wanting people to act, but financially it's difficult to entice them.

As for how to know when to "cut bait"? I guess it depends on how well you really know the people you're working with. I think the idea you have is great: let them know to be honest with you, and if they can't do it, so be it.

Have you thought about approaching a community theatre group if you need help? Some of them can be helpful.

I'm sure if I could offer someone "here's 300 bucks-help me shoot", I'd probably get a good response;)

If I think anything more I'll let you know :).
 
I've notice there are always tons of professional actors and actresses out there that would love acting in films/videos for free. And in my experience getting them to do it for free isn't very difficult. The best advice I would say is be professional as possible, get a plan going, and (the most important part) stick to the plan.

For me this has always worked. I have gotten several repeat actors and actresses to do several projects merely by following these guidelines.

I can't tell you how many times I have wanted to leave a project simply because the crew and/or producers didn't know what they were doing. That can be the most frustrating thing in the world. If you say your going to be done at 8 be done at 8. If you say lunch is at 12:30 then try and get it there by then. If it is going to be late. Let people know. Be upfront with your crew. Tell them the project is just for fun and you can provide only copy and credit. Then make sure to get them a copy. It isn't rocket science. Good luck and I hope everything works out.
 
I think when I grow up and try to use OTHER humans in my films.. for my first attempt I will have EVERYTHING I CAN THINK OF ready before I even start looking for actors or crew. Ill not even cast unless I can start shooting the next day. Not that we will shot the next day, but that we are truly ready. Seems a lot of folks lose the momentum because of pre-production delays. Everyone is always excited to START something new and interesting, I think its important to leverage that.

From the lips of a noob!
 
. . . I can only help during production during the first shoot day because I am not in that episode, and won't be able to help much during future shoots because I am in about 1/4-1/3 of future scenes . . .
Since you expressed appreciation for someone else's directness in their response, I will also be frank...

Is there a good reason why you're not helping out on the days you're not on-camera? If you really want it to happen, wear a few different hats. You're griping about the other people who seem flaky but, to be honest, your approach seems a little selfish. If you created it and want to see it done, why only take part on the days you're appearing in it? Seems like the production needs help. You helped create the project, wrote it, and will appear in it - why go only so far, in such a grass-roots communal project, in getting it off the ground? You also just might be the someone who saves the production by giving your all, even on the days you're not in any scenes.


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Good news - one of our wayward crewmembers found his way back to my messages and confirmed he will be there. However, our lead actor just announced that after the first episode, he is no longer able to shoot on weekends - which is the only time everyone else is available. He was one of the most excited members of the project.

Could you adjust the story the kill him off after the first episode?

I know he was your lead and it sounds crazy but i heard that Matthew Fox in Lost was supposed to die at the end of the pilot. We couldnt imagine the show without his character now but initially they had planned to do just that. Build him as the lead and suddenly kill him off. This wouldve had a huge impact on the audience who wouldve gotten a big curve ball and a character that seemed secondary wouldve emerged to be the actual lead.

I dont know what your story is. But perhaps you can be try to be creative even if its a romantic story or something which doesnt change too often.
 
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