Lets get serious about distribution

OK. When you think about film making long enough you realise that distribution is the key to the whole business. Without a paying audience film making is just an expensive hobby.

I've noticed that of all the topics that get discussed, distribution is the one that perhaps we talk about least. I think this is because although we all know that we can get a camera, write a script, shoot and edit a film, finding a paying audience is the one part of the equation that alludes most indie film makers worldwide.

I'd like us to change that. Seriously.

As a group we are spread all over the world and each of us is part of a larger, local film making community or even just part of a larger community with an interest in films.

I guess I'm wondering whether that is something that we can make work for ourselves.

Could we, for instance, set up our own international distribution circuit, showing indie films from around the world in local venues using video projection and PA's for the sound?

Just to put a perspective on this, most cinemas in the UK are charged $140-$200 a week to rent a film print, plus a percentage of the box office. This is the same whether it's the local mulit-plex or the local arthouse cinema. The problem with getting cinema distribution for indie films is that the film prints are so expensive, that print runs are kept low and this decreases the chances of the distributor making their money back.

So, lets imagine that between us, right now, we can set up ten UK based indie-cinemas (referred to from now on as i-cinema), maybe a couple in Europe, four in Oz and fifty across the US.

Let's say that an i-cinema is a video projector based cinema, in a non-traditional venue that has a showing once a month and that each night shows four shorts and a feature, charging $5 a head.

Providing that you can cut a deal with the venue in that they get to keep the bar receipts and therfore they give you the venue for free (a pretty easy deal to cut), if $100 dollars goes to the films ($80 to the feature, $5 to each of the shorts), therefore if you can get 50 people a month to the event, the organiser has $150 to cover any other expenses/profit.

This would mean that if a feature was shown across the entire network it would bring in $5000.

Now I know that this is small money, but the actual value of this is that you can build the credibilty of the film by opening it up to a global audience. This could be used either to lever a mainstream distribution deal or to drive direct DVD sales from a website.

The goal, of course is to set up a network of several thousand venues worldwide. With several thousand venues the maths gets to the point where distribution by this network alone becomes commercially viable for lo budget films.

Of course, there are issues. Of which the most important is, are there enough films of a high enough quality to build both audience and the reputation of i-cinema? The whole thing will die a death if people aren't stunned by the quality of the films.

So, talk to me. I'm not suggesting we set this up this week. All I'm doing is suggesting that we may have the power to do something about distribution, other than pretent that it isn't an issue. I'm open to ideas, but more importantly let's talk seriously about this subject and what strenghts we have as an international community.

Just to give a clear idea of where this could go, in the US alone, with just ten i-cinema per state, the takings for a feature from one showing across the whole network would be $400,000.
 
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To further the idea...

The "franchisee" would surely recieve the film, but the standards of admission should be a panel.
The idea of conventions at major stops would create a large networking feel, and allow the film submitters to meet in person with festival directors.

At every showing, there should be a merchandise booth, displaying both available product (from all major screenings, including short film compilations, and "festival merchandise" eg, T-shirts, hats). The merchandise booth could be run by the franchisee, and he could recieve partial payment from the sales. The DVD sales would go mainly to the filmmakers, with a small commision taken to fund the festival.
I don't know about all theatres, but the one in Toronto (www.bloorcinema.com) does not take a percentage of ticket sales. It's all profit. If there were, say, $5-10 tickets, after the venue price is covered, the festival commitee could pay back a percentage of the sales to the involved feature films.
I'm not sure, but I don't think involving shorts in the "pay-back" clause would be profitable... the exposure is enough, and perhaps they could get percentages off compilations?

That's a whole different ballgame though.. I'm jumping too far ahead. lol. This seems not only to be a great idea, but could be very fun to be involved in.


-Logan-
 
I think for me the next step is to move away from the global and conceptual and look at it in the real world. So next week I'm going to make some moves to secure a venue in my nearest major city, Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

My first choice is to approach the Baltic, which is a massive new modern art gallery which already has a digital cinema and has just started showing arthouse films in competition with the Tyneside, our local arthouse cinema.

http://www.balticmill.com/

My thinking behind doing this is that by working out the practicalities in this location I can feedback to the forum and we can use that as a starting point for future development of the idea.
 
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Can't believe I just now read through this thread! What a superb idea! Here are my thoughts off the top of my head after reading through the thread (nothing deep or long pondered here)

I love the idea of a franchise. I think a fee would be the only viable means to support this sort of structure. Here's one possible implementation:

A franchise setup that basically acts as a distributor. It seeks the best shorts and feature length films to screen at locally setup monthly events around the globe. Each local node would need to be 100% guaranteed though. It would be bad to have people pay for distribution that never occured. Those who are selected pay the requisite fee - something reasonable - to support the various expenses. The selection process would need to occur a good amount of time before the month it is selected to be shown. I can see two ways of handling this. Choose all the necessary films at the beginning of the year (would require a large submission base) or select films on a quarterly (etc) basis. Both would have their advantages and disadvantages. Quarterly (or similar) might be preferable since filmmakers would have more than one shot a year to get into the distribution. Each month the same films are shown at all the locations around the world. Rinse, repeat. Profits made are split between the local chapters, the filmmaker and the overall network.

That's at least one means of doing this inspired by what I have read so for in the thread. By only allowing the best films in for distribution we can better guarantee that people show up every month. The entire structure could perhaps operate as a sort of "confederate states" - each unit is responsible for local expenses, advertising (using some of the submitted fees) but the overall organization is governed by a loose, but firm, command structure.

Just some very bad thoughts off the top of my head late at night.
 
That makes sense.
There would have to be a "main branch" which would recieve sponsor's money and distribute it among the "chapters" (let's all wear brown cloaks!). The monies should go through a main source (submission fees, advertisers, etc.) That way, it would be better to see the overall situation, and control the funds (no embezzelling people!).
The "chapter" members would be responsible for setting up the dates and times, and running the venues. They would send thier monies to the main branch (perhaps an online account?) and recieve payment through it as well. The funding would be tight, and chapter members may have to put up some funds themselves at first to get the ball rolling, but that's something for later.

About film screenings... I don't think all films should be screened at the same time. A rotation would allow hype to build for selected films, snowballing the effect on the next venue, and so on and so forth. I like the quarterly selection; but there has to be a limit on total number of films per year... unless 2nd bookings in a month were possible... there would have to be a good setting of criteria and standards for films.

This is amazing.

-Logan-
 
I'm talking to the Baltic next week and also looking into other venues.

However, I want to raise one technical issue. Anyone got any suggestions for the format we should project from.

I think from an ease of distribution and low cost angle DVD would be a possible format. However, it's not great quality for projection.

I'm also condering digi-beta and HDV, but each of those will push up distribution and projection costs dramatically.

Another issue is the old PAL/NTSC thing. Not such an issue for HDV, because the decks will play out either.

Thoughts, anyone.
 
I've got a venue in our town - a historic 300 seat 1930's era movie house. I talked with the owner and he thinks it's a great idea.

Renting the theater on a prime night (Fri, Sat, Sun) would be expensive. Prohibitively expensive in my opinion. Mid-week is much more reasonable - almost a negligible expense since the house gets the concessions (with a beer and wine bar, too.)

Technically, the theater is only set up for film. Renting, borrowing or buying a high quality DLP projector and decent sound system is an option.

I guess my only reservation would be successfully running mid-week. It's not impossible, but a lot of attention would have to go into local marketing.
 
I think DVD would be the best way to go... it would have to be up to the filmmaker to supply all the desired formats. The best way to go about this is to start as cheap as possible, and work your way up. Since there would be multiple venues, around the world, it would make more sense to have multiple copies, rather than transporting one film can from place to place. Most theatres have that projection ability, and if they don't, they can be rented cheaply.

Check out the Bloor Cinema's interior (interactively) by going here:
http://www.bloorcinema.com/about_bloor.html#
And clicking "Bloor Vision". It's about 835 seats and it has a two tier balcony. Check it out!
I know it's about $650 to rent on a weekday (Mon-Thurs), but you recieve ALL services (projectionist, ushers, etc) and recieve ALL ticket sales (not concession). It's a pretty good deal... maybe he'll even work a deal with us, I'm going in on Monday to ask him what he thinks.


-Logan-
 
Actually, the projector they have is top-notch, and it projects from the edge of the first balcony... in fact, I saw a snippet of one DVD, and it's not too bad at all!
A little grainy, but nothing that will get annoying- it's not as bad as you might think.
 
Dvd

Spatula said:
I think DVD would be the best way to go... it would have to be up to the filmmaker to supply all the desired formats. The best way to go about this is to start as cheap as possible, and work your way up. Since there would be multiple venues, around the world, it would make more sense to have multiple copies, rather than transporting one film can from place to place. Most theatres have that projection ability, and if they don't, they can be rented cheaply.

Check out the Bloor Cinema's interior (interactively) by going here:
http://www.bloorcinema.com/about_bloor.html#
And clicking "Bloor Vision". It's about 835 seats and it has a two tier balcony. Check it out!
I know it's about $650 to rent on a weekday (Mon-Thurs), but you recieve ALL services (projectionist, ushers, etc) and recieve ALL ticket sales (not concession). It's a pretty good deal... maybe he'll even work a deal with us, I'm going in on Monday to ask him what he thinks.


-Logan-

I'd have to agree with using DVDs... At least at first. I have a couple of venues here in town that I know I can already use so that would be no problem... We've projected DVDs at both venues and they compare very nice to projected films... The audience members have never complained. Now VHS is a different story... LOL.

filmy
 
Projection from DVD is less than ideal, although it has advantages, cheap to and safe to transport, cheap to reproduce to mulitiple venues, cheap playout equipment.

I think like all things I think it's one of those things that each venue would need to check and go either yes or no in terms of quality.

I'd still like to think about this for a few days. We're creative technical people there must be a smarter way of doing this.
 
I didn't read the entire thread, so this may be repetitive. If so, ignore me. :)

However, with regards to venue and cost of equipment.

Most schools have an auditorium of some kind. Many of these are wired for sound, which can be fed from microphones, cd players... or a DVD player. Many schools also have digital projection equipment.

So, the venue solution (to me) seems logical. Go to these schools, and negotiate the 'rental' of their facilities and equipment for one night. For their trouble, they keep half the money from ticket sales. It's not a lot, granted, but it is money the school wouldn't be getting otherwise. Tell the school they can set up a concession and keep all the profits - I know at our social events the Grads always have a concession, and it's one of their major fundraising sources for their Prom. So the school stands to make some money from the deal, and schools always need money.

This would have the added benefit of exposing the films to a more 'mainstream' audience, if the school agreed to advertising (posters etc. in their halls, for example). If you expand that to posters in other schools, you have quite a large market to tap into.

And, if the movies are good, it may become a regular social event. Do it on a Tuesday night or something and don't run to late, so kids who have nothing else to do anyway go. I imagine it would also encourage students in the schools to get into film, to have their movies shown. And on and on.
 
Film schools would (possibly) jump at the chance. It would be a great way to go!
Perhaps if they supplied the equipment, and we allowed film students to have free access (and get money off of the public), that might be a good way to test this idea.
It would give a good opportunity for students to see examples of independant film, and learn, while cost-effectively starting this idea.
 
I've done some thinking and realised that to work there needs to be two things.

1) A distribution system that is set up to provide indie films of a high quality for showing in a variety of digital venues worldwide. That this distribtion system has to give the possibilty(Without guranteeeing) for any filmaker to get their in front of a paying audience.

2) A worldwide network of digital cinemas, which could run in any of the above options from a film-school venue, to
an arthouse cinema, a bar or any other venue that works for that area.

These two systems need the following

1a) A group of people or organisation prepared to adminster the distribution system. (This would proabaly mean, reviewing tapes sent in by film-makers, sending out regular e-mails to the cinema organisers with info about those, taking orders from those owners and shipping out the copies of the films)
1b) A supply of GREAT indie films

2a) People prepared to run an i-cinema in their area (Who can determine for themselves the best place and way to run it in their area)

2b) A delivery method suitable to the venue



Personally I think DVD projection is a simple pragmatic solution, but I'd still like to find something more elegant. Leave it with me. I'm putting a lot of thought into this right now.
 
Depending upon a number of factors, you could project from miniDV. You would need to find someone willing to rent/lend a DVD deck or video camera (but preferably a deck). But the problem there is the length of the DV tape... even if you put the feature on its own tape it'll probably run more than 60 minutes.

DVD projection is the logical choice, as I see it.
 
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