Absolutely, and absolutely agree that it is a chicken/egg situation. It's certainly not new. I mean, it's a documentary, so it must be true, right? And reality TV...that means it's real, right? *sigh* Contrary to what certain Disney "educational" films from the 50s would have you believe, lemmings do not commit mass suicide (though they do sometimes drown when mass migration leads them to bodies of water too far for them to swim across).I blame the History Channel, and Discovery, and all those other crappy networks. Seriously. They're dumbing-down America.
<sarcasm>One could argue that, at the very least, Russia was developing the art of cinema in parallel with the US.
Read your Darwin bud.... the chicken came first. . It's true.You say "Chicken!"
And I say "Egg!"
How dumb people are, is based on circumstance. I'll tell you two little stories that shape my perspective.I've been surrounded by Americans all my life.
They are pretty dumb.
No, no,... we're talking about the egg of the chicken, not the egg of a fish here. did the chicken come first, or did the 'egg that hatches a chicken' come first? The answer is 'the chicken."There were insects and fish before chickens.
I've traveled the States quite well, both as a child and adult. I could argue that the cultural differences between the deep south, to Florida, to the yanks up north, to the Mainers and Minnesotans, to the "mañana mentality" out west which closely resembled the Jamaican attitude of "whatever" I met while in the Navy, to that of the Californian coaster that I've lived in the equivalent of taking a trip to plenty of any-fucking-wheres.I'd advise you to take a trip,... to any fucking where. You'll know what I'm talking about. You'll come back and you'll appreciate all the dumb people that live around you.
No, no,... we're talking about the egg of the chicken, not the egg of a fish here. did the chicken come first, or did the 'egg that hatches a chicken' come first? The answer is 'the chicken."
It's a trick riddle, albeit a poor one.
The question goes "Which came first? The chicken or the egg?", not "Which came first? The chicken or the chicken egg?"
Better than a nice try.nice try buddy
While that wikipedia sub-section might not have a citation, it is an accepted understanding (and common response to religious folk about chicken and egg) by evolutionary biologists, some of whose responses I've read in the past and not in wikipedia. It was just an easy link so I provided it.Better than a nice try.
"A simple view is that at whatever point the threshold was crossed and the first chicken was hatched, it had to hatch from an egg. The type of bird that laid that egg, by definition, was on the other side of the threshold and therefore not technically a chicken -- it may be viewed as a proto-chicken or ancestral chicken of some sort, from which a genetic variation or mutation occurred that thus resulted in the egg being laid containing the embryo of the first chicken. In this light, de facto, the argument is settled and the egg had to have come first."
- Jungle fowl proto-chicken hen
- She has ovaries
- The ovaries contain... EGGS
- She is inseminated by a male jungle fowl proto-chicken cock
- The jungle fowl proto-chicken hen EGG is fertilized
- The embryo is a distinctive mutation of what will later be recognized as a genuine "Chicken", distinct from a "Jungle Fowl."
- The genuine "Chicken" hen has ovaries containing EGGS
- The EGGS are the same
- The ANIMALS are not
- The Chicken came out of an... EGG
- Not every offspring of the mother was a "chicken" mutation
- Not every offspring of the flock of jungle fowl were "chicken" mutations
- Yet they all came out of... EGGS
That Wikipedia article sub-section has no citation from a credible authoritative author, it is therefore (considerably) less than definitive.
Shortly, we'll be visiting RvW and at what point is an embryo no longer a egg+sperm, legal person-hood, and human vs. animal rights.