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James Rogers said:
Well, in the end, this is all just good conversation in my opinion and I thank everyone who has engaged. Nate, I knew I could count on you to sum of a few very logical and rational points. For the record, and for anyone who cares, I am not a conservative, nor am I a liberal. I am a free thinking person who makes up his mind, issue by issue, based on all sorts of input; research, observation, and life experience. None of us can afford to live in a bubble, venturing out only to find the closest echo chamber to re-enforce what we think we already know. Does anyone here think today the same way they thought 10 years ago or 20 years ago?.... and could you imagine what Star Wars or Close Encounters would have been like if the directors had political agendas?
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I'm assuming you haven't seen star wars episode 8. Lol.
 
mlesemann said:
You're kidding me, right?
Unplanned pregnancies have been catastrophic for many women since the beginning of time.
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Mara, I respect you enough to answer your question.

You can't say "unplanned pregnancies" as though it's some monolithic thing. Neither of my kids were planned yet they are the treasures of my life. I work with a woman who got pregnant at 17.. Fast forward 20 years, that woman has a PhD in psychology, is a high ranking member of our organization (GS-15) and is in complete command of her life. If we concentrate only on the negative, we can't see anything else. If Rizzo was pregnant, Kenickie was going to marry her. He was already "lugging boxes" at the grocery store to buy a car, which demonstrates that he is responsible. He might have worked his way up to manager, bought a house, he and Rizzo might have had more kids. They may be celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary right now.. Other people might choose to believe that if Rizzo was pregnant, Kenickie would never have married her. Her parents would have kicked her out of the house. She would have ended up a disgraced member of the family would ultimately turn to drugs and prostitution. I think more of people and life to think that would happen to her.. Does that ever happen? I don't know, probably, but again, why see these things as only having one outcome; a catastrophe?
 
I said many women, not all women.

and if you don't understand that, you're not paying attention.

And if you think marriage is a panacea in every case, you're living in a fantasy.

I'm glad it worked out for you.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT ISN'T A CATASTROPHE FOR SOME WOMEN.

If you don't understand that, I suggest you talk to more women about it.
 
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