Film or high-tech investments are risky.

The New York Times (NYT) has an article on how investments in film or high tech can be risky, but the payoffs can be huge. The film industry is notorious for its erratic and riskiness, but most people wouldn't have known that about high-tech, especially in Silicon Valley. But venture capitalists who invest in this sector apparently lose out in one in three companies, with that winning company expected to more than compensate for the losses of the other two. The same strategy apparently applies in Hollywood, and companies like Disney need the Avengers to compensate for John Carter and the Lone Ranger.

If someone wanted safer investments, he should invest in the more traditional industries.
 
Maybe that's not well known outside of the bay area, but around here it's pretty much expected that most startups will fail - one in three actually seems pretty high to me, I would have guessed more like one in 6-10 succeed.

It's an interesting thing though - I think in the tech world failure isn't looked at as failure because of that. Most successful tech entrepreneurs will have several failed attempts behind them by the time one succeeds, so failing becomes just a part of the process rather than an end point. In the film world it seems there's a lot more emphasis on whether your last project succeeded or not.

There are some parallels between the two though. Cloud infrastructure has enabled far more tech startups to happen with much less investment than ever before - more and more it comes down to the people you've got and the time you can put into the project, rather than just the amount you can raise. As a result investment has become less important in the early stages, and I suspect less risky too - by the time many startups seek investment they've already proved there's a market for their product. That may be why the 1-in-3 number seems low to me, I still remember the dotcom boom when startups failing was a daily occurrence, but back then it seemed you didn't even need a real business plan to raise millions, just an idea that was crazier than the last guys.
 
There is always inherent risk in investing your money. Back in the day the railroads were the dotcoms of their day. There were very few successful small railroads and the fraud that went into funding new railroads was epidemic. Investors were often left holding the bag and even if a railroad was eventually built they often didn't make any money. Most of them ended up being bought out by larger rail companies and subsidized until they were closed and dismantled. Bottom line is that there is no such thing as a sure thing.
 
In film school I've learned that most major motion pictures lose money. No matter what you will always spend too much money on high budget films as the industry demands such practice. The risk of investing one's money into a high-tech piece of cinema outweigh the risk of a filmmaker with more practical approaches. High-tech does have a strong demand amongst movie watchers, but as far as the price is concerned, outsourcing will be the catalyst to conversion.
 
In film school I've learned that most major motion pictures lose money.

So these multi billion dollar companies are worth so much because they're always losing money?

and let me guess, everyone also believes that Harry Potter movies never ended up in earning a profit either.
 
There's a difference between losing money (i.e. the movie doesn't make as much as it's budget was) and not making as much money as you might have before. Hollywood is perhaps on the latter, but will pretend it's like the former.

Most big budget movies aren't losing money, and in fact Hollywood's doing pretty well for itself - of course, with the exceptions of the bad decisions by studios like Disney (John Carter, Lone Ranger etc.)

There's no doubt a lot of films could be made cheaper, but a large percentage of the budget goes to actor wages, and realistically actors do bring audience in.
 
I worked in the Silicon Valley for many years, including working closely with some of the better known venture capital firms out there.

1-in-3 is high. It's more like this: of the 10 investments they make, 1 turns out to be a "hit' (10x return on their investment), 7-8 fail (die or get shut down), and 1-2 become 'zombies' (companies that are barely surviving, but are worth keeping around for a buyer rather than shutting it down).

The thing is, film financing used to be more like venture capital: studios approached films much like VCs approached tech ideas. It was risky to invest in original stories, so you spread it across more investments, knowing that most won't make money but a handful will be an enormous financial success (small budget, but hugely popular and therefore highly profitable).

The difference is, studios are becoming more and more like commercial banks than venture capitalists. Movie franchises are much safer bets but less profitable: they would rather make a $3 million guaranteed net profit on a $300 million investment (1% return) than spreading it out across more films (with one or two generating a 10x return - investing in a $3 million film that generates $30 million on net profit). And yes you can talk about John Carter, Lone Ranger and other big budget so-called "failures" but they won't in the end lose as much money as you'd think because of all the ancillary revenues down the road (esp globally - merchandising, syndication, etc all add up and these franchises have more potential to generate merch and licensing than say some indie film like Before Midnight). Again, franchises are less risky because they are better able to generate multiple sources of income even if US theatrical box office is disappointing (video game licensing, merch, toys, etc as well as a bigger global audience).

Also, when you're making movies based on preexisting content (adaptations), there's already data out there on who the potential audiences are, and from there, they can backcalculate to a budget number where there's a 90% chance of at least breaking even. In plain English, when developing a franchise, there's simply more market research data to work with in making more accurate predictions about how much money it can generate.

Same thing in the tech world: buying stock in publicly traded companies Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc is much less risky because they are established and there's a lot more historical data there for you to assess future success. When you're faced with 2 Stanford PhDs with an idea on a napkin, you don't have much to go on other than a hunch that the idea is brilliant AND that these 2 grad students can pull it off.
 
The New York Times (NYT) has an article on how investments in film or high tech can be risky, but the payoffs can be huge. The film industry is notorious for its erratic and riskiness, but most people wouldn't have known that about high-tech, especially in Silicon Valley. But venture capitalists who invest in this sector apparently lose out in one in three companies, with that winning company expected to more than compensate for the losses of the other two. The same strategy apparently applies in Hollywood, and companies like Disney need the Avengers to compensate for John Carter and the Lone Ranger.

If someone wanted safer investments, he should invest in the more traditional industries.
Investing in anything that is private equity is a long shot.
 
So these multi billion dollar companies are worth so much because they're always losing money?

and let me guess, everyone also believes that Harry Potter movies never ended up in earning a profit either.

There have been major motion pictures that have done badly.

In film school I've learned that most major motion pictures lose money. No matter what you will always spend too much money on high budget films as the industry demands such practice. The risk of investing one's money into a high-tech piece of cinema outweigh the risk of a filmmaker with more practical approaches. High-tech does have a strong demand amongst movie watchers, but as far as the price is concerned, outsourcing will be the catalyst to conversion.


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Even while having massive flops like John Carter and The Lone Ranger, Disney's stock price has almost doubled in the last 2 years.
 
Here's how it works...

You make your movie for $100.

You sell $200 worth of tickets - yay, PROFIT!

Wait - not so fast!

To sell those tickets, you had to pay $100 to a marketing firm to promote the movie - there goes all your profit.

Damn. Sorry everybody, no residuals, because we didn't make any money. Oh well, maybe next time!

Of course, $50 of the $100 production budget went to you to rent your camera and your garage for the shoot. $40 went to you for your editing services, and the last $10 was spent on buying M&M's to keep the cast fed.<quietvoice>yay, profit!</quietvoice>

You also own the marketing firm that you hired to promote the movie, and only half of the $100 you paid was for direct marketing costs - the other $50 was the fee for your services. <quietvoice>yay, more profit!</quietvoice>

So now your movie wasn't profitable, and yet somehow you came out of it with $140 in your pocket...
 
Here's how it works...

You make your movie for $100.

You sell $200 worth of tickets - yay, PROFIT!

Wait - not so fast!

To sell those tickets, you had to pay $100 to a marketing firm to promote the movie - there goes all your profit.

Damn. Sorry everybody, no residuals, because we didn't make any money. Oh well, maybe next time!

Of course, $50 of the $100 production budget went to you to rent your camera and your garage for the shoot. $40 went to you for your editing services, and the last $10 was spent on buying M&M's to keep the cast fed.<quietvoice>yay, profit!</quietvoice>

You also own the marketing firm that you hired to promote the movie, and only half of the $100 you paid was for direct marketing costs - the other $50 was the fee for your services. <quietvoice>yay, more profit!</quietvoice>

So now your movie wasn't profitable, and yet somehow you came out of it with $140 in your pocket...

It's called Hollywood accounting.
 
You make your movie for $100.

Not to mention that you may have actually made your movie for $50 or for $500. Depending on the type of movie, it might be a good additional marketing ploy to let people think that the budget was substantially lower or substantially higher than was actually the case.

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