Expendables 2 was the worst looking film I've seen recently...

I don't expect a lot from a film like the Expendables 2 - minimal story to hang the action scenes on, passable acting to get from one set piece to another, etc - as long as the action is creative and exciting.

What I do expect from it - and from just about any mainstream, high-budget theatrical release - is solid production and post work. There's no reason any movie with that budget shouldn't look as good as is technically possible. Expendables 2 fell unbelievably short of that mark... it was like they hired someone to shoot it who'd never worked with a digital camera before, and/or the post guys just didn't care what they were doing to the image.

There'd be a shot that was incredibly sharp and clean, with no noise visible in the frame. Then they'd cut to a shot where the noise was crawling all over the screen. Then they'd have a shot where there was noise, but it was very fine-grained and 'film-like', followed by a shot where it looked like they'd run a bad noise-reduction filter and the noise was large and clumpy. Then they'd have a shot where there was noise in the background and shadows, but the actor looked super-clean, almost plasticky, as if they'd only run the noise reduction on their face.

There were quite a few shots that clearly used a 360 degree shutter, so the motion suddenly looked like video for a shot or two. There were also shots that were obviously zoomed digitally in post as they were softer overall than other shots - puzzling because the composition on these shots was often pretty bad so it certainly wasn't cropped to improve the composition. There were even shots where I could clearly see compression artifacts in parts of the frame, or an overall sense of 'blockiness' to the image, as if they were working with DCT-based compression like jpeg/mpeg. I suppose some of that could be a result of the compression for the distribution file, but I wouldn't expect it to be visible only on certain shots like that, I haven't noticed it on other films I've seen projected digitally, and it isn't characteristic of wavlet-based codecs like the JPEG2000 compression used for DCDMs.

All of that stuff could have been simply bad technical decisions, but there was one scene that didn't have that excuse. It's just a dialogue scene between Stallone and Liam Hemsworth. It just cuts back and forth between medium shots of the two of them - Hemsworth is in sharp focus, Stallone is out of focus, throughout the entire scene. At first I thought it was more bad post work - that they'd tried to smooth out the wrinkles on Stallone's face and overdone it - but then at the end of the scene Stallone stood up and stepped into focus for about half a second. They'd missed the focus mark by a foot or so on a long dialogue scene with a static camera and actor.

I just don't get it... I'd personally be embarrassed to release a film that visually sloppy on any budget, but I don't see how it happens on a $100 million budget. How many people along the way must have signed off on this stuff without either noticing or caring how bad it looked?
 
$28.6m opening weekend confirms that beyond p!ss poor technical issues the story was p!ss poor, too.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=expendables2.htm

Using 'RED' as a template because it also features a bunch of senior citizens, it's opening weekend brought in $21.8m, $28.5m for the first week.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=red2010.htm

By week four it had only brought in $74,703,857.


$28,483,269
/ $74,703,857
= 38.1%

Divide XND2's first week (estimated) of $34,619,744 by 38.1% (0.381) = $90,865,469.
On HSX it's @ H$69.59, meaning when it delists in another three weeks there's a 30.5% gain to be made.

Just sayin'.


FWIW, the director commentary on the original is one of the best, most illuminating extras I can cite on directoral style, what changes from script to screen and why.
I hope the same will be true for this.
Kudos to Stallone for being such a tough old bird.
 
While its boxoffice didn't match the original, many of the IMDB reviews are saying that this movie is way better than the first. It might have staying power, but we'll see about that.

I haven't yet seen it, but am looking forward to some popcorn time.
 
The story is pretty thin, but like I said I didn't expect much there. The fight scenes, like the first, are staged and edited poorly - I consider that a pretty big shortcoming for an action movie series. It's reasonably entertaining overall though, but I can't personally say the second is any better than the first. I just can't understand the overall technical sloppiness of this one, I don't remember anything like that from the first one.
 
I'd say it's less worse than the first, but it still bored the heck out of me. And I got noxious every time they made a cutesy self-referential joke -- "If you don't return it to me, you're terminated". Hardy-har-har, wow that's some creative humor.
 
I kid you not -- as I was watching the movie, I felt guilty for not listening to Nick (I had read his review a couple days earlier).
 
I thought it was great! Sometimes you gotta sit back and enjoy things for what they are.

:)


Then I will enjoy this thing for what it is when it comes out on DVD!

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Hey, no fair, Ray. Everybody likes different movies. I didn't enjoy this one, DeJager, but there are plenty of movies I like that aren't exactly high art. Nothing wrong with a little mindless entertainment. :)
 
Doesn't seem like my cup of tea, but I assume that it's the action movie equivalent of all the crappy horror films and movies with dragons that I absolutely love. For this, I am 100% behind it. Doubly so if it's not good but some people love it anyway!
 
Many of the reviews read said this is an improvement over the original. The first one was so bad I turned it off after around 15 minutes. I like the additions to the cast and will check this out on DVD. It looks good to me.
 
The noise you were seeing, I'd wager, came from post reframing decisions to save scenes that didn't have the right coverage.

I haven't seen the movie, but from what you describe that's exactly what you would get when you crop and recompose footage.

However, it's a pretty common practice and if you look hard enough, you can spot recompositions in most movies and television. Maybe they were just a bit less caring about it here.
 
After seeing how badly shot and edited the first one was, I'm not wasting time on the sequel. Stallone must have been on the editor's case yelling, "Faster cuts" with the action sequences. I like Jet Li action film. But, I want to see the action. The night scenes in the first one were also filmed too dark.

No chance in hell I'll bother with the sequel.
 
You guys was expecting some art movie. Expendables was good 80's style action movie. They didn't even try to make some emotional drama movie. If you expect it you was in the start going wrong way. Those action scenes was cool. No shake cam or other 2000 century things. Good action back of the main happening. In Finland I didn't see any noise problems. I little bit think there was too much those Arnold jokes, but I think it was good entertainment. I don't like so much those 3d things, but still it was good no brain movie and there was all the legends of action movies. Norris was good I haven't seen him long time on the screen. Sorry my bad English and I just want to say that all ones don't think same way.
 
I walked out of the first I was so bored, no way on earth I'm spending money on two.

Of course, the first is my Dad's favorite movie of all time... but man, bad, just bad.
 
I loved the first Expendables! Haven't seen the second one yet! Will probably see it anyways as soon as I can on my Apple TV :)

Sometimes I like a bit of mindless blowing up shit and shooting stuff to pieces. Oh and I love me some Arnold and Norris :)
 
You guys was expecting some art movie. Expendables was good 80's style action movie. They didn't even try to make some emotional drama movie. If you expect it you was in the start going wrong way. Those action scenes was cool. No shake cam or other 2000 century things.

Well, there's two different discussions really going on here. My original point was simply that it looked really sloppy from a technical standpoint. I don't think it matters if it's an action movie or a drama, once you're in that budget range I just see no excuse for technical sloppiness. When "Big Momma's House 8: The Fat Lady Sings" looks better than Stallone's action opus something is wrong.

The action is a different story. I don't go into a movie like the Expendables expecting an art movie - I go in expecting an action movie to end all action movies. They didn't promise just another good 80's style action movie - they took all the stars of those movies and brought them together into one supergroup. Unfortunately I don't think either movie has fully delivered on that promise.

The fight scenes are my biggest complaint with the action. Now, I honestly don't expect an incredible, over-the-top fight between Stallone and Van Damme because they're both getting a bit old to be really going at it. But watch The Transporter and Undisputed II and then imagine the kind of fight you could put together between Jason Statham and Scott Adkins - and then compare that imaginary fight to what we got, which was a pretty pedestrian fight as action films go. Honestly it feels like the filmmakers saw Undisputed II and were like "hey, this guy does a halfway decent russian accent, lets cast him as one of the bad guys" and somehow missed that he's one of the greatest on-screen stunt fighters in the business. Not to mention having Jet Li jump out of a plane and never be heard from again...
 
The noise you were seeing, I'd wager, came from post reframing decisions to save scenes that didn't have the right coverage. (...) However, it's a pretty common practice and if you look hard enough, you can spot recompositions in most movies and television. Maybe they were just a bit less caring about it here.

Yeah, after 15+ years in the digital imaging world I'm pretty sensitive to the look of scaled footage, and I see it regularly on TV, less so on film. Generally though it's subtle enough that I assume it's only people like me that would notice it. This was a different story - it was all over the place, and combined with so many other things like bad noise reduction and wide-open shutter that it was really distracting. My wife even complained about it afterwards and she generally thinks I'm crazy when I point out things like that, so that makes me think I'm not crazy to think this one was particularly bad. It does make me wonder though if there were significant changes to the overall story after it was shot, thus the lack of appropriate coverage.
 
Yeah, after 15+ years in the digital imaging world I'm pretty sensitive to the look of scaled footage, and I see it regularly on TV, less so on film. Generally though it's subtle enough that I assume it's only people like me that would notice it. This was a different story - it was all over the place, and combined with so many other things like bad noise reduction and wide-open shutter that it was really distracting. My wife even complained about it afterwards and she generally thinks I'm crazy when I point out things like that, so that makes me think I'm not crazy to think this one was particularly bad. It does make me wonder though if there were significant changes to the overall story after it was shot, thus the lack of appropriate coverage.

The likely story, or just the budget didn't allow the coverage, editor got it, started crying, decided to punch in on a lot of stuff.
 
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