Proper Sight Picture. I am referring to the military/law enforcement definition of the term. When a professional shooter uses the term, this is what they mean.
Ever notice this with pistols in movies?
- Thread starter harmonica44
- Start date
Yeah Kiefer does it the best and looks the most realistic, compared to how I was taught at a shooting range.
I didn't get the Rambo, gun stock under the arm. I guess he has enough muscle to control the recoil but most people would probably have a pretty sore armpit after.
I didn't get the Rambo, gun stock under the arm. I guess he has enough muscle to control the recoil but most people would probably have a pretty sore armpit after.
You would be surprised. I've fired a M-249 like that, with no ill effects. Also, I hink an M-60 would be pretty easy to do the same way cause of its low rate of fire. But I think an M-240 would need to be toned down a bit.
Oh I guess I'd be surprised then. I've never fired a gas operated high powered machine gun before, just a few handguns so far. I fired the .44 magnum revolver (lot of recoil), and the .44 gas operated Desert Eagle (not much recoil), so the gas makes a difference.
So how come in Westerns no one holds their pistols like Kiefer in 24? In Tombstone (1993), Wyatt Earp, and the Marshals entered the OK Corral, with their guns holstered, and their hands near them, ready to draw. Then they drew and cocked their guns at the last second, just as the villains did. They almost always wait till the last minute in Westerns, but if they did it 24 style, pointed and pre-cocked, they would get a lot more shots off by surprise, and less casualties.
So how come in Westerns no one holds their pistols like Kiefer in 24? In Tombstone (1993), Wyatt Earp, and the Marshals entered the OK Corral, with their guns holstered, and their hands near them, ready to draw. Then they drew and cocked their guns at the last second, just as the villains did. They almost always wait till the last minute in Westerns, but if they did it 24 style, pointed and pre-cocked, they would get a lot more shots off by surprise, and less casualties.
In old westerns, the good guy always gave the bad guy the first move. It's like offering him a chance to surrender or walk away. Once the bad guy started to draw, the good guy would draw much faster and get his shot off first, usually as the bad guy shot the ground (amazingly never disturbing the dirt).
Yeah but in 24, and other modern movies, the good guy has his gun pointed, cocked, with his sights ready, and tells the bad guy 'don't move'. This is still giving him a chance to surrender but being ready. So the whole waiting till the last half second to draw, seems completely irrelevant.
In the first movie he's using an m-60. In this case, firing from the hip is alright because he has to feed the belt as well as hoist up a 25lb machinegun and compensate for the barrel climb. Plus, when you're spraying lead you really dont have to aim. "Mother" also does it like this in full metal jacket. You could aim, but you look way more badass just spraying from the hip. But because these guys looked so badass, actors in action movies used the same stance when using other rifles, sometimes even SMG's. Every drug dealer in the 80's fired their UZI's from the hip the same way. No wonder the good guys always won.
There's a big difference between stepping out into the street for a western gunfight and searching a building for a bad guy. The western gunfight was an extension of the duel. 24 et al. are modern crime shows/movies. The motivation for the actions is different, so the actions themselves are different.
I guess but you still never see that Western scenario done, in anything modern.
Because nobody duels anymore. Last to draw is first to die.
Well yeah, didn't they know that back then lol. Sure there were suicidal sportsmen, but why did the sherriffs and marshalls, and men of peacekeeping, feel they needed to associate themselves with that crowd?
If the Sheriff was looking for a fugitive in a specific place, he would have his sidearm drawn. It was a time when honor was not just a word.
I just watched Bonnie and Clyde, and saw the ending.
SPOILER:
The cops tear an unarmed Bonnie and Clyde apart with machine guns, without even giving them any warning, which cops could get away with back in the 30s. So I guess that's why in Westerns they try to give the bad guys a chance to surrender, and not have their pistols drawn. Cause back then, the bad guys did not know if the cops would murder them or not, since cops could get away with murdering crooks, as long as they were guilty of felonies, rather than misdemeanors more so. Unlike today, where a cop can have his gun drawn, cause bad guys know that they will most likely not shoot, unless provoked. So today there is more trust, to a cop holding a gun, compared to back then.
SPOILER:
The cops tear an unarmed Bonnie and Clyde apart with machine guns, without even giving them any warning, which cops could get away with back in the 30s. So I guess that's why in Westerns they try to give the bad guys a chance to surrender, and not have their pistols drawn. Cause back then, the bad guys did not know if the cops would murder them or not, since cops could get away with murdering crooks, as long as they were guilty of felonies, rather than misdemeanors more so. Unlike today, where a cop can have his gun drawn, cause bad guys know that they will most likely not shoot, unless provoked. So today there is more trust, to a cop holding a gun, compared to back then.
Movies - Reality
They are different. Keep that in mind Ok..
They are different. Keep that in mind Ok..
Yes I know I was just using that as an example to explain the cultural differences back then compared to today.
Because the high noon dual was only done in hollywood. Most outlaw cowboys died the same way Wild Bill did; shot in the back.
The only time the quick draw is practical is if you're a police officer, or in some other situation where putting a gun in someones face isn't the right thing to do, but you realize at the last second that you're dealing with someone dangerous and you need to protect yourself.