DVD industry in crisis as sales slump

Now, when it comes to movies, you can have a driven person who is also unaware that his film is a load of crap. Lot's go around thinking their project is the next Star Wars and will change the industry forever, when in reality it's more like a Plan 9. It takes a GREAT movie and a driven person to make it happen. Can't hide behind luck, to quote another character, Harvey Dent said he "Made his own luck."

Of course, he also was burned horribly and went insane :)

I got an excellent laugh out of that last sentence. http://www.indietalk.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

chilipie is right, making this a philosophical debate about "what luck is" is off-thread a bit - a great topic I'd enjoy partaking in, but that would be for another time and place. That said, I am most certain that no one here is saying Blomkamp, RR and Kevin Smith made it with just luck, or it was a simple right place, right time scenario. To assert that would belie the trust and respect we have for these guys. I do not speak for others but I hold these guys and others like them in the highest regard for their talent, drive and tenaciousness. But like sonnyboo said, there's more to success than internal factors alone - there is always some external influence of some sort (call it what you want, but it's there).

Case in point you talk about having a GREAT movie in hand. The thing is great is subjective, which in itself places it at the mercy of some external influence. Most use the term luck (I use it most). In this business of ours there is a huge element of "right-time, right-place" for most if not all of us (this does not suggest a lack of talent or drive, or that they are mutually exclusive. No, in fact the right combination of all those things is a must in our business). You may have the next GREAT movie on hand but the timing of it's greatness almost always rests upon some external factors.

I count us all lucky because the Smiths, Blomkamps and RRs were recognized for their talent, drive and tenaciousness by someone at the right time and the right place. I say we are all lucky because now that they are in, we get to enjoy their work and all the gems that are yet to come. I have no doubts that their would have kept going until they got in (people of this mold are not the quitting types) but I consider them and all of us lucky that their efforts were recognized at the "right time and right place by the right people" and not so far down the road when they would have become jaded, twisted and bitter (not that I am suggesting these guys would have panned out like that, but hey they are human and nothing frustrates the creative soul more than continuous rejection).
 
Guys, you (as in 'we') aren't facing economic dynamics any different than millions of artists have for hundreds of years before us. Artists have always struggled to make a living with their work while new technologies sneak up behind them undermining the techniques they had just mastered... some of them became redundant, some of them rise to the challenge to find alternatives based on their personal philosophies: to make art or to make money, or in exceptional cases, to do both.



Don Patterson said:
But I have had a very enjoyable life making stuff that did not exist before my feet were on the Earth (LOL).
Seriously, what more can one ask for? The world owes us nothing, but we owe it to ourselves to bring whatever visions we have (nuclear to infinite) to this world and fellow beings. JMOwn personal belief.
 
What few mom and pop video retailers still exist buy their new release product at Walmart because it's cheaper than wholesale.
No sh*t? That's amazing! I believe it though. Most distributors will go out of business and declare bankruptcy, and as they do, many filmmakers will get screwed. This is why signing with an indie distributor is a very BAD idea.

Piracy, Blockbuster's impending doom, no more local video stores, streaming, it has all come together to lead to the demise of the low budget production. It's already happening. What we will be left with are 99.9999% studio crap and very low or no budget items shot on video.
Yep. Digital distribution has flooded the market with too much product. Before digital distribution, a filmmaker could stand out more in the crowd; Not any more.

Piracy killed the once thriving Hong Kong film industry. It's killing music and now it is starting to kill film.
If you have the time you can very successfully fight indie piracy with decoy torrents. But for the majors it's a losing battle.

The whole rental culture is also killing the business, yet everyone supports it by supplying NetFlix. Netflix is a rip-off for indie filmmakers because they pay no royalties.
 
My apologies if I took the "naive" comment too literally or personally. I guess I have a tendency to do that. My bad.

Anyway, I think Paul summed up my thoughts rather nicely. Unless we're talking about winning the lottery, or something like that, I just don't believe in luck. Sure, some of us have easier or more difficult circumstances to deal with, but successful people make their own luck.

On the bright side, there's always porn. That industry ain't goin nowhere!
 
On the bright side, there's always porn. That industry ain't goin nowhere!
There's always reality TV.
I just sold some footage to Tru TV's "Most Shocking" for several Benjimans. I shot this footage on a $190 Cannon Power Shot.
 
On the bright side, there's always porn. That industry ain't goin nowhere!

Uhhhhhhhhh talk about an industry that has lost it's profitability to the Internet! The Porn industry has lost a substantial percentage of their profit margin to the internet and the free sharing therein. Combine that with the loss of video stores and DVD sales down for them too.
 
Supposedly these porn sites can make a lot of money through banner advertising.
Some give away images in hopes of selling video DVD's of the girls.
 
"The fat market is teenagers, it's in explosions and uber-animation, and Megan Fox (BIG-name draws). And that costs BIG bucks."

That's been the reality for a long time. Really since the advent of TV, especially cable TV. 90% of people went to the movies once a week 50 years ago, now 10% do. With all the entertainment options it's hard to get people out of the house, EXCEPT for teenagers, who are looking for ANY excuse to get out of the house. So Hollywood discovered the formula of movies tailored to tennage taste, driven by mega millions advertising campaigns that drive the herd to the theatre on opening weekend.

ALL movies lose money on paper, so it's hard to know what's going on exactly. They form an independent entity to produce the film, and then siphon money back into the studio for the services they provide that entity. So even though the movie lost money on paper, the studio may have made a tidy sum.
 
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