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Thanks, man.
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Thanks, man.
Was confused what the additional characters at the start added and also what they were doing/talking about (aside from being drunk). I liked the parallel parking part the best. Overall, I prefer "OU Uncovered", seemed more thought-out than "College Life". Also it seems your shots have better color and framing than in OU and with the money-eating film, or maybe that's the mescalin kicking in...
Seriously, it was good though, I stayed until the end.
Seriously, it was good though, I stayed until the end.
LOGAN L Productions said:
I assume you saw it on A&E the other night ... I watched it as well. Very good, very comprehensive. I especially liked how they went into Lucas' battles with the DGA and the WGA; those are little known facts.
Poke
Nice job, I laughed so hard! I just finished college so I know the feeling. Almost everything in that flick happened to me. This is great! The only thing I would change was at the end when the camera rolls around to reveal the note. You might get more punch to your punch-line if you show him run across the lawn and then show a quick shot of face reaction then cut to the door. Or you could use the roll shot but roll it around a little faster. Just an idea. I really like this one! 
check this out
I like this site. It's pretty funny. It says all you need to know about short films. Your film was OK. I thought you lingered too long on too many shots. As mentioned in another post, I couldn't here any of the dialog at the begining.
http://filmmaker.com/DUMPS.html
It is a very specific list of common mistakes and trends which we've seen in crappy student films again and again at screening after screening.
The ones that apply to youe film: (A few apply to my first film also)
- Bad Audio, Synthesizer (the "porn" soundtrack)
- The One Joke Film
- The "Walk away from the Camera"
- Shooting into Mirrors
I like this site. It's pretty funny. It says all you need to know about short films. Your film was OK. I thought you lingered too long on too many shots. As mentioned in another post, I couldn't here any of the dialog at the begining.
http://filmmaker.com/DUMPS.html
It is a very specific list of common mistakes and trends which we've seen in crappy student films again and again at screening after screening.
The ones that apply to youe film: (A few apply to my first film also)
- Bad Audio, Synthesizer (the "porn" soundtrack)
- The One Joke Film
- The "Walk away from the Camera"
- Shooting into Mirrors
I really need to fix the audio. The music's too loud and the dialogue is too quiet. Thanks guys.
Dudebro: yeah, I need to put these newfound production values toward something more well written.
Poke: Yeah. Saw it on A&E. I liked it A LOT. I sort of wish it dealt with some negative things that happened...like people's reactions to Lucas' newer movies. That would heve made the doc WAY more interesting. I want to see George's reactions to all the bitching.
Dudebro: yeah, I need to put these newfound production values toward something more well written.
Poke: Yeah. Saw it on A&E. I liked it A LOT. I sort of wish it dealt with some negative things that happened...like people's reactions to Lucas' newer movies. That would heve made the doc WAY more interesting. I want to see George's reactions to all the bitching.
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tron1977 said:
I'll say this - those that can't do criticize relentlessly those who can.
Sure, there are things that seem tired after viewing them numerous times, but that doesn't mean they don't serve a purpose. So many of the "shots" they list as student film no-nos are classic shots that are still used effectively today.
Poke
That site has some good points, but I think the zoom in dolly out is a great tool and hard to do. same with camera in the trashcan, etc.
I think: You can't rely on cool editing/camera work, but you still gotta keep every shot interesting. This stuff may be "cliche", but when there are millions of films made every year, some stuff is going to be used over and over. Plus, filmmakers notice this stuff, but average people usually think it adds to the films.
I think: You can't rely on cool editing/camera work, but you still gotta keep every shot interesting. This stuff may be "cliche", but when there are millions of films made every year, some stuff is going to be used over and over. Plus, filmmakers notice this stuff, but average people usually think it adds to the films.
but
I guess it depends on who your audience is. Most (obviously not all) short films are made for to be "calling cards" to get other work. When this is the case other filmmakers are the ones that are looking at it.
Just to clear any confussion, I wasn't "ragging" on your short. I just found that site after doing my first film and laughed at the things on that list that I did without relizing how cliche they were. I posted it to be entertaining AND informative. There were a things i liked about your short and things I didn't.
LOGAN L Productions said:
I guess it depends on who your audience is. Most (obviously not all) short films are made for to be "calling cards" to get other work. When this is the case other filmmakers are the ones that are looking at it.
Just to clear any confussion, I wasn't "ragging" on your short. I just found that site after doing my first film and laughed at the things on that list that I did without relizing how cliche they were. I posted it to be entertaining AND informative. There were a things i liked about your short and things I didn't.
okay, the person from the dumps thing really gets to me, he/she's acting as if their word is final and if we go against it, our film will be utter shit. Where does he/she get the right to do that? i hate it when people mouth off and say that kinda stuff. The hitchcock zoom, though it can be used a bit too much sometimes, he/she's basically saying that no matter how interesting your way of using it may be, you should never use merely because it has been used by others. And that Kung Fu crack really set me off, fair enough, i've never seen it, but that's not my point, i'm pissed that he/she is saying that just because the dream sequence has been used badly before, that it is now and forever will be horrible and therefore never touched with even a 10 foot pole.
from what i gather, they're trying to say that we shouldn't use our imaginations but rather follow their guidelines and thusly make a thousand films which are more or less the same thing, which he/she can then use as examples on his list.
god, that list just really got to me... i need to go cool off...
from what i gather, they're trying to say that we shouldn't use our imaginations but rather follow their guidelines and thusly make a thousand films which are more or less the same thing, which he/she can then use as examples on his list.
god, that list just really got to me... i need to go cool off...
not really
What i think they are trying to say is that most student films suck (something I agree with) and that most of those sucky student films use a lot of the devices listed.
When making a student film the goal is to "stand out" from the rest. By using these cliches you're just going to look like everyone else.
I've seen a lot of bad student films and almost all of them have used stuff listed on that list.
It doesn't say that there is no place in cinema for this stuff (hell Tarantino uses most of them), it just says don't use them for the sake of using them. Use them when they are called for.
Dimp Paddy said:
What i think they are trying to say is that most student films suck (something I agree with) and that most of those sucky student films use a lot of the devices listed.
When making a student film the goal is to "stand out" from the rest. By using these cliches you're just going to look like everyone else.
I've seen a lot of bad student films and almost all of them have used stuff listed on that list.
It doesn't say that there is no place in cinema for this stuff (hell Tarantino uses most of them), it just says don't use them for the sake of using them. Use them when they are called for.
tron1977 said:
One thing I didn't like about that list is how it excuses Zooming, but everything else is bad. I've seen a lot of bad student films as well, and the ones that are the worst are the ones that zoom in and out of everything like it's a home movie. I don't see why zooming get's a pass just because you have good zooms in film. That arguement could be made for every technique on the list.
I appreciate that list and what tron was saying...it's true...I stand behind some of my stuff, but things like the plot, I really agree with. I need to stand back and look at my next script. I need to be more original; more creative. I'm sort of dissapointed in myself actually...but I'll learn in time. I do like my own camera work in this film...so I at least can know that I'm getting better in SOME ways...
...can't thank y'all enough for the critiques!! The final cut will be much better...it won't have new footage or anything, but it will be better edited. Thanks again.
...can't thank y'all enough for the critiques!! The final cut will be much better...it won't have new footage or anything, but it will be better edited. Thanks again.
What about fun? Experimenting and Learning? Isn't that what it's all about? I think some people need to lighten up. Enjoy yourself, there’s no right or wrong way to be creative. If it works for your story then use it. Who cares about some stupid list made by who?
Peace,
Toxzy
Peace,
Toxzy
Christopher said:What about fun? Experimenting and Learning? Isn't that what it's all about? I think some people need to lighten up. Enjoy yourself, there’s no right or wrong way to be creative. If it works for your story then use it. Who cares about some stupid list made by who?
Peace,
Toxzy
damn straight! i was getting worked up about that list but bugger it! i'm doing this for the enjoyment i get out of it, not because i want to make things that fit in with others ideals of filmmaking.
well said Chris
I do what I do for several reasons...I like the satisfaction of having made a great film...that means different things to different people. To me it simply means that I like it, but sometimes others can see faults in my art that I can't because I work so closely with it...I don't let critics get to me...if they have a point, I listen...if they are just ranting and obviously making little/no sense...then who cares what they think.
Here's the "Final" cut: CLICK HERE.
As always, I will continue to tweak this movie until I die, but this is what I am submitting to festivals right now. I have corrected the sound, changed some music and how it's used, etc. It's VERY similar to the first version I exhibited here, but if you would still like to watch the final cut, then let me know what you think! Thanks!
By the way, it's Windows Media Video and 12MB (Quicktime sucks, and yet it's what everyone has...sorry!)
As always, I will continue to tweak this movie until I die, but this is what I am submitting to festivals right now. I have corrected the sound, changed some music and how it's used, etc. It's VERY similar to the first version I exhibited here, but if you would still like to watch the final cut, then let me know what you think! Thanks!
By the way, it's Windows Media Video and 12MB (Quicktime sucks, and yet it's what everyone has...sorry!)
