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Black Comedy and Tongue-in-cheek

I understand what they are but when i watch films that are black comedies or have tongue-in-cheek comedy i only sense it a bit. What films are really good examples of black comedy and tongue-in-cheek. And dont say Dr. Strangelove. I've seen it. And its a typical example.

I mean... i kinda understand what it is... but i dont. I mean do you say a joke about rape and laugh and thats black comedy. Or do you just speak about rape and you laugh???

How is it "often undercut by irony and fatalism" ?
 
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to a certain extent PULP FICTION (see the overdose scene, as it's played as a drama, but obviously hysterical).
 
The Player
American Beauty

Black comedy is kinda hard to explain, thinking about it.

Can't think of any examples of tongue-in-cheek, off the top of my head. Wag the Dog, maybe? Or that one where the presidential impersonator has to fill in for the real prseident after he has a heart attack? Oh, how 'bout Canadian Bacon.
 
Addams Family, American Psycho, Evil Dead 2, Sleepy Hollow, Batman & Batman Returns are my favroite dark comedies and most of them have a lot of tongue in cheek stuff.
 
Anything by Todd Solondz. In "Happiness" (his best film IMO) there is what basically amounts to a keystone cops routine with a guy trying to convince his son's friend to eat/drink something on a sleepover so he can drug him and molest him. It's very funny... "No ice cream then.... how about a sandwich, I could make you a sandwich". The dad's frustration and efforts to get the boy to eat something are very funny, then you remember, "oh yeah, he's about to molest this kid".
 
i think "Dr. Stranglove" is the eptiome of black comedy becasue the theme has to do with nuclear holocaust, yet the characters are ridiculousy funny.Tongue-in-cheek is goofier.
 
try things like the office (uk version) or peep show, imbertweeners. It's normally things when you giggle at the character. It's like when vsomeone says something stupid and you dont want to laugh.
 
To me, In Bruges is one of the best examples of black comedy there is in modern film. McDonagh writes a lot of black comedy in the theatre, which is what I am studying, and his movie outing is just as black. If you can get your hand on a copy of "The Pillowman" (a play) it is one of the best examples of a black comedy I know. The play is about a totalitarian government and child murders, but if done correctly is absolutely hilarious at the same time as being thought provoking.

Tongue in Cheek is harder to do in film. Tons of plays (lots of farces, but also satires or musical adaptations of films) are very tongue in cheek, which to me means an awareness of their own absurdity or self referencing humor, wherein a good portion of the jokes are about the situation. Since film tends more towards naturalism this doesn't translate quite as well.

Maybe The Office, This Is Spinal Tap, O Brother Where Art Thou, and maybe some of Simon Pegg's films like Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz. They poke fun at the zombie and buddy cop genres while remaining fairly true to the genre, unlike blatant parodies which continually make fun of their source material. I mean, the action in Hot Fuzz is still top notch, and Shaun of the Dead still follows a typical zombie movie plot with all the rediculous coincidence and deus ex machina rather than relying on pop culture like Scary Movie.

Again, if you have access to a play store, "Once Upon a Mattress" (Not a porno, I swear) is a hilarious musical that lots of amatuer theatres do which is very tongue in cheek. Makes fun of musicals, fairy tales, and dramatic convention. Quite funny.

Sorry if this was a wall of text.
 
english and new zealind are great for comedy like this. Try watching peepshow, imbertweeners, nathan barley, the diologue in fligth of the concords, alan partrige. Dark comedy is when you laugh at something you should be laughing at. IT takes better actors as it is all on the ty to make it funny. beleavabily Some american tongue in cheek and dark comedies could be the brother in everybody loves raymond, or to some extent ray and stimpy.
 
When I think "tongue in cheek" practically everything done by Mel Brooks comes to mind. Spaceballs, Blazing Saddles, History of the World Part I, etc.

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For black comedy, how about Arthur and its sequel with Dudley Moore?
 
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