I would NOT attend community college for filmmaking with the purpose of learning technicalities - I'd only go for the purpose of meeting potential crew members. That's literally it. I don't care about equipment (though I'm still very curious about what type of film equipment community colleges carry). I guess I'm trying to ask if going to community college for filmmaking would be worth it in my situation. I'm talking about community colleges in general
Well, that seems silly. From the posts that I've read (unless you've done some truly amazing things from the last time you've written), you're still an amateur and don't have much experience. That's not a bad thing, though. I recommend you gain some experience, and study filmmaking. It seems like it's something that requires a little bit of talent and hard work, but it's stressful and requires great amounts of talent, knowledge, and dedication. Once you do find people that you want to work with, you're going to find that you're going to need knowledge and experience to work with them. So I'd say take advantage of the enthusiasm you have, and go get some experience. Go work on film sets, make short films, and make connections with people outside of community college and other similar places. I'm sure you can find PLENTY of filmmaking groups, indie film screenings, get togethers, and so on and on in your area. Approach whatever you do with an open mind and take advantage of it. If you don't go to community college, connect other ways, and study on the internet and in film books. If you decide to go to community college w/ film courses, then I recommend you go ahead and take the classes to gain experience, and meet collaborators along the way.
Thats correct - the same type of dedicated "crew" members you'd find at any other film school.
More advanced or respected film schools offer specialized programs for people interested in certain fields. In addition to that, there are a variety of contributing factors regarding dedication and amount of people interested in different fields. Often times, as Alcove mentions later, people want to become directors. In colleges with larger film programs, you'll find a larger variety of people interested in different jobs. Community college can vary, much like any college. It really depends on where you're looking at. If you have links or a couple of ideas of where you might want to go, it might be easier. Although as a backup plan, I still recommend you go to get togethers and film meet up groups. And if for some strange reason you can't find one, start one!
I'm sorry: I was only curious. If you're saying that every single person who attends film school or enters a film program wants to be the director, that's fine by me. I was only wondering if community college was a good place to meet people interested in specific areas of film - audio, cinematography, editing, etc. - excuse me for assuming people had an array of interests. I was unaware that all film crew members aspire to be directors
Getting mighty sarcastic, aren't we?
No, not every person that attends film school wants to be a director. It's more so that the vast majority of people attending the kind of film programs you are speaking about want to become directors. People that are interested in other fields that decide to go to film school will choose colleges that specialize in the particular field they are interested or, or will go to the more high caliber film programs.
I never said I was special? I feel like you're blowing my question out of proportion and pulling the "what makes you so special" card when I haven't said anything to provoke that.
I beg to differ. It relates to your original questions well. The vast majority of the people that will be attending the program you may or may not attend will be directors. He's asking the question because there are plenty of people like you, and is simply asking you not to provoke you, but to make you think about the number of people that want to be directors as well. In other words, would you like to be the one working as a crew member for other directors?
I was just wondering whether or not a film program at a community college could temporarily supplement a film program at an actual film school.
It could. But you could do better gaining experience from Youtube, working on sets, and making your own films outside of college.
I was only wondering if it was a good place to make friends who could help you with some films.
Maybe. Maybe not. There's no "YES!" or "NO!".
Never once did I say anything of the grandiose nature "I'm the next (X), now tell me how to get people to work for free because I'm the boss and I deserve it"
But you appear to be making the assumption that people will want to work as your crew members.
My mom isn't in the best health. I have a sister. And I don't have the money to move away and live on my own JUST for a community college. The reason I'm considering a community college in the first place is because I want to keep a tight budget. Moving away and paying for a living space seems to defeat the purpose.
Then go the alternative route and skip it altogether. Learn from the internet, work on sets, make your own stuff from the experience you gain from the two former tasks.
The simple fact that I don't have any "festival wins or major credits" (as Alcove Audio put it) means nothing. I'm a junior in high school. I'm curious how many other individuals on this forum had major credits or festival wins at that age? I mean, give me a break. Everyone has to start somewhere. Every director has to have that first experience with pulling together a crew, whether that crew is made up of proffesionals or friends and classmates.
Well, we're not arguing that everyone starts somewhere. We're having a discussion on how you should start, and how you should work up to where you want to get. What people are disagreeing with you is your method and plan.
I'm sorry for the backlash. But I really don't need people to tell me how I'm spoiled, lazy, unmotivated, and don't give a damn about filmmaking when they don't even know me.
*sigh*
That's not how you're being seen. The whole "not give a damn" thing was because you APPEAR to be an amateur and a beginner, and you not caring about gaining knowledge and insight from a program that is meant for that reason makes it appear like you don't give a damn about learning about the things that you don't care to learn but should.
You may think you're being subtle, but by telling me to calm down and "take a deep breath", I can tell you're trying to patronize me.
He wouldn't have posted those comments if he didn't care about what you did.
I understand this is a community. But I find it hard to follow good-natured, helpful advice (no matter how good the intention may be) when that advice feels somewhat condescending.
You have to keep in mind you're on a site on the internet, where anyone can write in. The great thing about Indietalk, though, is that it's more moderated than the other filmmaking sites on the internet.
Thank you for clearing up your comment. As for the thick skin? Don't worry. I won't be losing any sleep over this.
You did call some of the comments 'offensive', called people trying to help you 'arrogant', make accusations of people being 'patronizing', and you appeared to be upset.
I know that all indie filmmakers, from the first timers to the well-seasoned proffesionals, need to find a crew at some point in order to make a film: that crew can be a skeleton crew consisting of four newcomers, or a crew of twenty established people that you're paying very well.
Well not always, but ANYWAY, that's not what's being argued about! We're not disagreeing with you on that! But rather the way you want to get there.
Either way, I don't necessarily think it's an issue of "what makes you so special?" - particularly if you have no festival wins or credits - or else no one would start making films. I'm sure you've either worked on a crew before or hired a crew, of varying sizes and skill levels. I don't think that makes you demanding or entitled at all. It's just the way things are done.
Well it is a bit of a 'what makes you special' situation. You have to have a reason for why they should dedicate their time, patience, and talent to you to bring YOUR vision to life vs. someone else's film.
[QUOTE}Eventually, I would like to hire a crew for an independent film of mine. I don't know when that would be. I don't know if I would meet anyone of that sort in a community college. And I don't know how unprofessional that crew will be when the time comes. But either way, it's still a crew. I don't think I'm wrong for looking ahead like that.[/QUOTE]
Go out. Meet other filmmakers. Work on sets. Do your own short films.