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Krappt

Hello!

Can you please some tips on how best to shoot the scene (eg, dialogue) with different angles of a single camera, without breaking the dialogue.

For example, the first frame: an overview shot. Next shot: close-up face. It should not break off dialogue and not to violate the synchronization of the lips and voice.

Thanks.

P.S. Sorry for bad English.
 
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Ooh! And have actors do it the same way all the time. :lol: Just to be safe, get cutaways of nervous hands, a 2 shot of feet, and a big wide shot where you can hide the sins of sailors.
 
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Ernest Worthing said:
Sorry, i thought you were wondering artistically.

If you're asking about how a conversation scene should be filmed...

1. Film character A talking over character B's shoulder
2. Film character B talking over A's shoulder
3. Film A as he listens/reacts to character B
4. Film B as he listens/reacts to character A
5. Film a master shot of character A and B as they talk to each other

Do several takes until you get the performances you want. Edit.


Note: You may need even more shots. For eg, you may want a close up of just one characters eyes as he reacts to something the other character said. So customize according to your needs.
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from: http://www.indietalk.com/showthread.php?t=32263
 
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Sorry, but you probably have not understood my question. I asked how to use pauses in conversation, that the operator was able to change the angle. Without compromising the integrity of the dialogue. Or some other means.
 
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Krappt said:
Sorry, but you probably have not understood my question. I asked how to use pauses in conversation, that the operator was able to change the angle. Without compromising the integrity of the dialogue. Or some other means.
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The actors have to perform the scene the same way multiple times, then you edit the angles together.

Or use multiple cameras.
 
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I struggled for ages getting my head around this and I still do, I understand it except one aspect:

Say you've shot the same scene 5 times from different angles, you've cut up the video and edited it and got it to exactly how you want it to be. When you do finally decide which one of the 5 audio tracks to go with, how do you ensure the dialogue it synced up properly when the camera is on the person talking? I know it doesn't matter for the dialogue spoken while the camera is behind the person because we can't see their mouths moving, but:

Even if the audio is off by a split second it becomes very distracting to watch (I watched a movie a few weeks ago that had dialogue sync off ever so slightly and it was frustrating). Surely there is a trick for this and not having to rely on the actors doing the same scene 5 times EXACTLY the same down to the millisecond, which would be impossible I think?

The only way I can think of is to chop and cut the dialogue up and sync the sections of it that have the video of the persons lips actually moving and the rest doesn't matter as much. But that would leave little audible changes in ambient noises being cut early or cut in half in the scene, especially birds chirping, waterfalls or cars going past etc?
 
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gibbo said:
The only way I can think of is to chop and cut the dialogue up and sync the sections of it that have the video of the persons lips actually moving and the rest doesn't matter as much. But that would leave little audible changes in ambient noises being cut early or cut in half in the scene, especially birds chirping, waterfalls or cars going past etc?
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This is why it's important to get clean consistent audio.
 
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gibbo said:
I struggled for ages getting my head around this and I still do, I understand it except one aspect:

Say you've shot the same scene 5 times from different angles, you've cut up the video and edited it and got it to exactly how you want it to be. When you do finally decide which one of the 5 audio tracks to go with, how do you ensure the dialogue it synced up properly when the camera is on the person talking? I know it doesn't matter for the dialogue spoken while the camera is behind the person because we can't see their mouths moving, but:

Even if the audio is off by a split second it becomes very distracting to watch (I watched a movie a few weeks ago that had dialogue sync off ever so slightly and it was frustrating). Surely there is a trick for this and not having to rely on the actors doing the same scene 5 times EXACTLY the same down to the millisecond, which would be impossible I think?

The only way I can think of is to chop and cut the dialogue up and sync the sections of it that have the video of the persons lips actually moving and the rest doesn't matter as much. But that would leave little audible changes in ambient noises being cut early or cut in half in the scene, especially birds chirping, waterfalls or cars going past etc?
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Go back and read a large percentage of my previous posts.

You must first capture clean, solid production dialog.

Capture room tones.

Keep the original dialog with the picture until the picture edit is completed.

Put in the room tone.

Cut out everything between the lines of dialog.

Make note of any dialog problems.

Correct the dialog problems with dialog from the unused takes.

Use judicious editing, time stretch/compress and VocAlign (and your extremely discerning eye) to correct sync problems with the replacement syllable/word/phrase.

If all the above fails schedule some ADR sessions.


See? It's easy!

Well, maybe not so easy. But like anything else it takes knowledge of the process, the proper tools and, of course, experience.

As always, I recommend reading Dialogue Editing for Motion Pictures: A Guide to the Invisible Art by John Purcell.
 
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Alcove Audio said:
Go back and read a large percentage of my previous posts.

You must first capture clean, solid production dialog.

Capture room tones.

Keep the original dialog with the picture until the picture edit is completed.

Put in the room tone.

Cut out everything between the lines of dialog.

Make note of any dialog problems.

Correct the dialog problems with dialog from the unused takes.

Use judicious editing, time stretch/compress and VocAlign (and your extremely discerning eye) to correct sync problems with the replacement syllable/word/phrase.

If all the above fails schedule some ADR sessions.


See? It's easy!

Well, maybe not so easy. But like anything else it takes knowledge of the process, the proper tools and, of course, experience.

As always, I recommend reading Dialogue Editing for Motion Pictures: A Guide to the Invisible Art by John Purcell.
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Thanks for that.

That book you recommend, does it explain in lay terms?
 
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gibbo said:
Thanks for that.

That book you recommend, does it explain in lay terms?
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I've flicked through a friend's copy and although I'm not sure I would say it's written for laymen, for anyone who knows a little about production sound and the filmmaking process it should be perfectly readable.
 
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I don't know which camera you will be using, this is what I do with my HD shoot.

scene : 2 artists talking.
1. take all the dialogues with breaks in between of 1st artist. While other one is giving reactions.
2. switch the camera position and then all dialogues of 2nd artist while 1st is giving reactions.
3. This will minimise shoot time.
4. To get proper emotions, someone will prompt the other artist's dialogues.
5. While same artist is perorming, take reactions too.

This is what I do. I don't know if it will help you or not.
4. To maintain emotions
 
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