The new classics

This is just a curiosity thread, and not going to put it in movie talk, because it is more of a question that just can be answered by anyone.

What makes a movie a classic? Why are these older 80's 90's themed movies becoming huge money making themes in 2022?

My theory, is it touches on "connecting", it is about the characters. It has nothing to do with the effects, or the fact that it is a story revisited. It is written by people or copied by people that understand that connecting characters is what people want to see and feel. I may be out of my depth on this, but nobody has been really wondering what Maverick has been up to (or the special effects today), they have been wondering where that human connection is from the 80's...Right?

Vague thought, but I think that is what is brining back these 80s and 90s hits, not because the stories worked then, but because they were written with feeling. I know a lot of you will say "no shit" where have you been, but it hasn't dawned on me until now.

So who are making the new classics in 2022? What are the new classics? Who can't get enough of the next chapter in the character's stories you see today?

Thanks for the simple post, but why do we have to make remakes in movies, or old themed ideas in movies to be box office hits in 2022?





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I think it's just the age demographics
They can have all these dumb star wars shows bc people loved it so much when they were 6 and 7 years old and now those same people are adults with jobs and expendable income.
 
I think it's just the age demographics
They can have all these dumb star wars shows bc people loved it so much when they were 6 and 7 years old and now those same people are adults with jobs and expendable income.
I definitely think you are right lol I was at a bar at the airport, and a dude had two arm sleeves of tattoos full of star wars shit....
 
People don't understand what nostalgia really is. it's a super common misunderstanding. When you are a kid, things seem amazing, mainly because it's all new to you. It was an amazing feeling to see your first sci fi movie or whatever genre. People remember that feeling, and want it back, so we sell them nostalgia items. Here's the issue though, that amazing feeling you remember having wasn't from one show or movie, it was the feeling of being young, and how you could experience things then. That's why you never get the same effect again, because you think you had this amazing experience watching Back to the Future, and you did, but that experience was half movie, and half just looking at the world with new eyes, and you can never get that back. Since people don't realize this, marketers bank on nostalgia properties, not neccesarily because they are great, but because the memories the antique franchises evoke sell better than any actual property the studio typically makes.

Bottom line, people miss being young and exited as much as they miss Ghostbusters, and while a reboot can only bring back one half of that feeling at best, people are optimistic and buy tickets.

Also, have you interacted up close with many million dollar a year salary suits? They are basically idiots. 10 of them get together and try to come up with a single new idea, fail, then someone says "hey, lets just copy that thing we saw someone else do" and then they pay each other huge bonuses for how inventive they are, and drive home to their mansions.
 
People don't understand what nostalgia really is. it's a super common misunderstanding. When you are a kid, things seem amazing, mainly because it's all new to you. It was an amazing feeling to see your first sci fi movie or whatever genre. People remember that feeling, and want it back, so we sell them nostalgia items. Here's the issue though, that amazing feeling you remember having wasn't from one show or movie, it was the feeling of being young, and how you could experience things then. That's why you never get the same effect again, because you think you had this amazing experience watching Back to the Future, and you did, but that experience was half movie, and half just looking at the world with new eyes, and you can never get that back. Since people don't realize this, marketers bank on nostalgia properties, not neccesarily because they are great, but because the memories the antique franchises evoke sell better than any actual property the studio typically makes.

Bottom line, people miss being young and exited as much as they miss Ghostbusters, and while a reboot can only bring back one half of that feeling at best, people are optimistic and buy tickets.

Also, have you interacted up close with many million dollar a year salary suits? They are basically idiots. 10 of them get together and try to come up with a single new idea, fail, then someone says "hey, lets just copy that thing we saw someone else do" and then they pay each other huge bonuses for how inventive they are, and drive home to their mansions.
Since I already opened this thread of confusion, Is it why I think this song is a masterpiece? But it only has 23k likes?

It won't change my view, but is it perception of time? From my time frame and moment of being in love?
 
Since I already opened this thread of confusion, Is it why I think this song is a masterpiece? But it only has 23k likes?

It won't change my view, but is it perception of time? From my time frame and moment of being in love?

It's a pretty good song. Biology and timing have a pretty big impact on how we perceive things, as well as what our lives were like at the time. You'll probably overrate the entertainment you experienced during the best times, and underrate the things you experienced during the worst times. Nobody wants to listen to the song they heard on the radio on the way home from their divorce finalization, It doesn't have much to do with the chord changes, it will always carry with it the stain (negative or positive) of the context where the impression was made.

If you hear a song for the first time during a really exciting time in life, you'll probably always associate that song with that feeling. There are some good songs I never listen to any more, simply because I heard them during some tragic event, and now that song is infused with that event.

Conversely, if smash mouth was playing in a gas station at the exact moment someone scratched off a winning lottery ticket, they might end up listening to that song for the rest of their lives, thinking that the composition made them feel good. In reality, they felt good, heard the composition, and then unconsciously associated the two.

Here's a song I have fond memories of. I doubt it's actually a good song, but I heard it in a time when life was care free and happy, so I always have a good reaction to it.


It has 1 million views or so, so it's not too popular long term, with a lot of stupid nonsense lyrics tied together with a general purpose chorus.

in contrast, here's an actual chart hit from today, you can see that it has 12,000 times as many views.


So this topic we are discussing plays a big role in "when I was young, people played real music" simply because things make a much stronger impression on us when we are young or happy.

I'm not completely discounting the quality of the art itself, but think of the two factors multiplied as giving your "impression score"
 
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