The Colourising Blues

A DVD set of Three Stooges films is being released... after having been colourised. Ted Turner caused quite a stir back in the 80's when he pasteled over a fair number of classics, and some people are up in arms again.

The good ol' NY Times has an article on it. The bit which caused me to fall out of my chair was what George Lucas had to say on the topic. (Highlighted, at bottom)

I wish he'd apply the same logic to his Star Wars films.

Stooges Digitally Painted on DVD
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: August 9, 2004


Filed at 4:25 p.m. ET

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The DVD era is resurrecting the great colorization debate of the 1980s, and at the heart of the matter are Curly, Larry and Moe.

Sony's Columbia TriStar home-video unit is releasing two Three Stooges DVDs that allow viewers to watch the original black-and-white or digitally colorized versions.

Purists consider it desecration, while Sony executives say the process can help introduce Hollywood classics to young audiences reluctant to watch anything in black and white.

The Stooges discs coming out Tuesday also give die-hard fans better black-and-white versions, the studio insists.

To prepare for the colorization process, Sony did a more extensive restoration than it had with previous black-and-white-only Stooges DVD, said Bob Simmons, a technical specialist who worked on the project.

``The best thing about this DVD release is it gives the consumer the ultimate choice,'' said Suzanne White, vice president of marketing for Columbia TriStar home entertainment. ``They can watch the very best, the finest restored image of the black-and-white version, or watch the new colorized version and switch instantaneously between the two.''

The new Stooges DVDs, ``Goofs on the Loose'' and ``Stooged and Confoosed,'' contain four shorts each featuring Moe and Curly Howard and Larry Fine.

Offering a choice does not appease colorization critics, who include Sam Raimi, director of Sony's ``Spider-Man'' blockbusters.

``I don't think they should mess with black and white,'' said Raimi, who is such a Stooges fan that credits on some of his movies label extras as ``fake Shemps,'' a reference to doubles used to complete Stooges shorts after the death of Shemp Howard, who replaced brother Curly after his stroke in the 1940s.

``I think they should just leave it as they are and try to preserve them as best they can. I feel like it's an artistic interpretation that's not anybody's right to make except the director's.''

In the 1980s, media magnate Ted Turner enraged film-lovers when he colorized ``Casablanca,'' ``The Maltese Falcon'' and other classic black-and-white films from the MGM library he had acquired.

Those 1980s dye jobs often tinted actors' faces an unnatural, pasty hue, while colors of clothing, sets and props were arbitrary.

The new digital process allows greater range of colors that give people, objects and backgrounds a more natural look, Simmons said. Researchers also mined Sony's archives and prop warehouses to more accurately recreate colors, he said.

For example, they found the actual stove used in ``An Ache in Every Stake,'' in which the Stooges play ice-delivery men caught up in preparing a fancy birthday meal that climaxes with an exploding cake. The stove was yellow, so that's the hue it has in the colorized version, Simmons said.

Yet critics say it's bogus to match colors to studio props, whose tints were chosen for the way they photographed in black and white. Chicago Sun-Times critic Roger Ebert, responding to a reader's question last month, wrote that for consistency, colorized versions would paint the actors' faces light green, the color of makeup that was applied so they would photograph better in black and white.

``Colorization is a form of vandalism,'' Ebert wrote.

Columbia TriStar's White says colorization is just another tool to make old movies more palatable to modern audiences, like converting analog sound to 5.1 digital audio.

The studio hopes to use the colorization process on some black-and-white feature films. If coloring the images raises consumer interest in old titles, ``it may be a way of getting more black-and-white films released'' that otherwise would not have been economically feasible, White said.

``Star Wars'' creator George Lucas, who testified with Steven Spielberg before Congress in the 1980s against colorization and other forms of alteration, said the process yanks such slapstick performers as the Stooges out of the black-and-white universe they belong in.

``Would color distract from their comedy and make it not as funny anymore?'' Lucas said. ``Maybe just the fact that they're in black and white makes it funny, because their humor is dated. But by putting it in black and white, it puts it in a context where you can appreciate it for what it was.


``But you try to make it in full living color and try to compare it to a Jim Carrey movie, then it's hard for young people to understand. Because you're then thinking you're comparing apples to apples, when you're not. You're comparing apples to oranges. I'm saying it's not fair to the artist.''
 
I'd really have to say that unless the original director and cinematographer is directly involved with the project, colorization is just a poor way to reel in sales from "young audiences reluctant to watch anything in black and white."

Imagine if we applied this logic to other art forms. Animatronic Michaelangelo statues battle it out with claymation Picassos! I mean, young audiences would never appreciate fine art otherwise, right?

Just another way to make money, I suppose.
 
George Lucas is a hack. I love Star Wars, but he no longer believes in it. And his words there really nail it in.

But, imo, as long as one can watch the DVD in black and white, I see no issue. If you don't want to see it in colour, DON'T WATCH IT IN COLOUR.

If they didn't give you the option, or changed entire scenes (as Lucas has done), I'd have a problem. But they're just making a great classic more appealing to younger audiences.
 
I agree with Raimi. Keep them in there orginal way, it is the director choice to make them colorized. I'm totally against this stuff. I believe in seeing a movie the way it was meant to be seen, mean it black and white, color, 3-D, widescreen, flat ect.

Just my 2 cents.... Thanks for posting this Zen as you know I'm a big Stooge fan myself. :)
 
Stooges in color.. that sucks. Sony is trying to introduce the Stooges to kids in color, because kids don't like b&w? What a crock! Give kids some credit. How many here LOVED the Stooges and Little Rascals as a kid?! Somebody needs to give Sony an eyeball poke!

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I was so maddened by Lucas' comment that I forgot a point that Demosthenes X mentioned.

It does indeed come with the original B/W as well. Reasonable compromise, I think. (Unlike George "Orwell" Lucas, who seems to think that putting "it in a context where you can appreciate it for what it was" doesn't apply to his own material.

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Anyways, in not-really-related news...

Since it's B/W comedy all around this week...

Historians Find Lost Laurel & Hardy Film

Filed at 7:57 p.m. ET

BERLIN (AP) -- Laurel and Hardy, masters of foreign languages?

German film historians have tracked a long-lost copy of Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy's early sound work to an archive in Moscow housing a 1931 film the comedy duo performed entirely in German, the Munich Film Museum said Monday.

But lest anyone get too impressed, Germans who have seen clips from the film are far more approving of the comedy -- some of it unintentional -- than by the pair's accents.

``It's important as a curiosity,'' said Klaus Volkmer, a spokesman for the Munich Film Museum, which discovered the film. ``You can't actually understand what they say. It's funny.''

The mismatched team shot their 1930s films first in English, then reshot them with the same dialogue translated into German, French and Spanish -- which they spoke phonetically -- because it was so difficult to synchronize voices and actions in the early days of the talkies.

It is an artifact from the early years of Hollywood, when such stars as Greta Garbo, Edward G. Robinson and Buster Keaton would act their films in several languages to be shown around the world.

The German-language film, ``Spuk um Mitternacht'' (``Ghost at Midnight''), is pieced together from two other Laurel and Hardy shorter films, ``The Laurel-Hardy Murder Case'' and ``Berth Marks,'' the Munich museum said.

It will have three showings in Germany -- Aug. 14 in Bonn and two at the Munich Film Museum on Oct. 26 and 27.

The movie was billed as the first German-language talkie when it premiered in Berlin, complete with a visit by the pair, on May 5, 1931.

They were known as ``Dick und Doof'' (``Fat and Dumb'') in their original incarnations in Germany, and were immensely popular. That acclaim has continued in Germany and the rest of Europe, far more so than in their homeland, said Wolfgang Guenther, who runs the Laurel and Hardy Museum in Solingen with his wife.

``I'm getting e-mails from all over the world from people who want to see the film,'' he said.

``Laurel and Hardy are the most important film comedy pair, especially in Europe,'' Guenther said. ``They were always human. They always remained friends.''

The two were first paired up in 1927, and went on to make more than 100 films together, with round, bossy Hardy frequently reducing dim Laurel to childlike tears. Hardy, a Georgia native, died in 1957; Laurel, who was born in England, died in 1965.

The surviving print runs 31 minutes and is missing some scenes, including one set in a train sleeping car and one in a haunted house. The Munich museum, which retrieved the film from Moscow, expects to restore it to its full 40-minute length and make it available for future screenings and a DVD release.

The film's jokes were translated, but the German version included special references. In one sequence, Laurel boasts that his uncle is at the medical facility of the University of Berlin -- though he has to acknowledge, not as a professor, but ``preserved in a bottle with alcohol.''

The duo mostly worked from cue cards and just had ``a little German in their heads,'' Guenther said.

``Their German is really broken,'' he said. ``That's the laugh effect. They didn't know German at all.''

All we need now is a new Harold Lloyd discovery, and a Buster Keaton boxed-DVD release to make my life complete :)
 
I just saw a colorized Our Gang the other day :(

this is a tough thing to argue.

On one hand you should be able to do what you want with your own property.

But then on the other hand, Preservationist have won cases to save old buildings and victorian homes from being torn down as long as their foundations are strong. So perhaps should this same logic be applied towards films and other archives as well?
 
Unlike with buildings, though, you can offer both the original and the colorized films. I think that's a good compromise, pragmatically speaking, but I still don't think colorization should be done except by the original director. And even in that case, both versions should be offered.
 
Demosthenes X said:
But, imo, as long as one can watch the DVD in black and white, I see no issue. If you don't want to see it in colour, DON'T WATCH IT IN COLOUR.

I agree. It really doesn't bother me that they colorized it because you still have the option of seeing the originial. It would really suck if they only released the recolored versions with added digitial characters and faster tie fighter scenes.....wait...I'm getting confused......

But really, isn't this just another marketing ploy to recycle their old material into new cash? It creates hype around their new DVD release and that's what they want.
 
The reason there are "Director's Cuts" of films on DVD, is because the studios cut the film the way they want, so the director has to come out with his own version, the real version. In my opinion, studios should release the director's cut as the original release, and then come out with the sucky "Studio Cut". :lol: I know... that's not the way corporate America works. Colorizing is just another way of screwing up the artist's vision. I guess you could argue that they are at least giving you both options at once, the original, and the fake color.
 
And the thing is...they could easily release two versions both "studio" and "director's cut" in one DVD package, but they don't! What really bothers me is when they release a DVD with no extras, then 10 months later they release a Special Edition with everything you could possibly want on the DVD. What the fuck man! Just release the damn DVD once with everthing on it!

But I think studios feel the need to cut films the way they want because they have ecomomic interest in the film's release and couldn't care less about the art. And for some reason, they can't get away from the "stick with what works(or sells in this case)" mentality.
 
CommanderGoat said:
And the thing is...they could easily release two versions both "studio" and "director's cut" in one DVD package, but they don't! What really bothers me is when they release a DVD with no extras, then 10 months later they release a Special Edition with everything you could possibly want on the DVD. What the fuck man! Just release the damn DVD once with everthing on it!

But I think studios feel the need to cut films the way they want because they have ecomomic interest in the film's release and couldn't care less about the art. And for some reason, they can't get away from the "stick with what works(or sells in this case)" mentality.
Agree! Or just forget the damn studio cut! When the director is angry with the cut, they know they can release a director's cut later and score more $$$. Sucks.
 
they could easily release two versions both "studio" and "director's cut" in one DVD package

Well, it's the exception to the norm, but the latest Exorcist flick is going to be released on DVD with an interesting twist.

Supposedly they are including the original version (different director, cast, story, everything) that was scrapped completely on completion... along with the theatrical release.

That's like two movies, for one! :shock:
 
Zensteve said:
Supposedly they are including the original version (different director, cast, story, everything) that was scrapped completely on completion... along with the theatrical release.

Wow...I'd like to see that. Sounds pretty cool.
 
The first Exorcists Scared me. I still think the scene where the mom goes into the attic and sees lucifer and a demon has to be one of the most frightening things I have ever seen.

I dont think I can handle going and seeing this film. :(
 
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