script breakdowns -RIOT scene cost ?

[joejohn123]

Saw someone discussing about script breakdowns, so I thought of particular scene I wanna include in my script.
How much will this scene cost in general.

300 feet curve road.
7 p.m

50 ft street light

tyres burning , 5 small sized vhicles up side. where atleast two are going to get fired later.

70 -80 people causing riot.

police van , and some 15 cops gathered.

I f setting is done can it all be arranged in low budget as much as possible.
can some alteration be done to gaint size containers to get the look of small sized vehicle .
later petrol bombs will thrown.
spark in street light.
two poles will broke in middle and fall on one of the vehicle . fire caught.

 

[Sweetie]

As you probably saw in that other thread, it's all relative and depends on many factors.

What shots are in the shot list.
What actions need to happen.
What is the blocking.
Where do you need to shoot.
Are there any specific issues that is needed for locations.
What are the requirements for lighting.
Are there any stunts?
Any weapons?
Explosives?
Animals?
Period piece? Sci-Fi? Any specific wardrobe needed?
Day time or night time?

and so on.

Can those shots be done on green screen in a studio?
Will the story hurt if you shoot more close ups.

Once you have those questions (and other appropriate questions), you then need to find out costs for all this for your local area. Prices can change going from one area to another.

You really need to consult a local line producer or a local production manager or at least one with experience in your area.

 

[joejohn123]

TYPICAL AMERICAN.

state the approximate budget.
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protagonist is in edge of becoming brat.
his age 20.

soccer game result cause riot.
he along with his friend whose home is near by get to take part in riot for fun.
During riot ..get's to hear , it's underworld smuggler who is sponsoring the riot , later which will make
his storage area near by get fire.
Reason : to claim insurance for unsold corrupt quality goods.

Smuggler storage area will be shown from far, name board to incline ,FREDISON GOODS SUPPLIER.
just the big name board on fire and flames around the top of the building is enough to be shown .

knowing this , that 20's kid with two others , get their father old car near to the riot place and set it on fire.

Empty front diky and back dicky goes on fire.

Street light pole at each 50 feet in 250-300 ft lenght road.

20 yr kid will be riding his crazy bike on the road where petrol spread and petrol bomb thrown , road catches fire, kid on bike escapes.

Will be capturing kid close enough times.
night , 7 p.m .
riot scene.
20's kid STANDING on his bike.
Waving his shirt to crowd with swearing.
His face glows to flames bright and
his face and body appears in shadow shadow as flames hide.



later kid among them who make two light poles breakdown, it slams one on vehicle , and one on road .
sparks while bringing it down.
Petrol bomb burst keeps happening very often.



Later a farm house they three set on fire to save their neighbour from loss (because was robbed /stolen before 2 days), which not recognised/considered to be insured . But might seek componsation from governament for getting caught up in riot.

next day ,quite early morning :
These three freind's parents ,who been somewhere last night arrive to see .....
the empty road with still burning tyres hear and there, small vehicles upside down, and smoke coming out here and there out of buildings (blackened)

their own car oosted! and farm storage area where smoke reaching sky.

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20 yr kid now now aged 37 takes opportunity to kill the underworld guy in the riot which is again sponsored by underworld guy himself.

 

[Sweetie]

What did your local production manager/line producer say?

 

[directorik]

Saw someone discussing about script breakdowns, so I thought of particular scene I wanna include in my script.
How much will this scene cost in general.

Doing the breakdown is part one. How much things will cost is more
complicated. YOU are going to have to research because there aren't
set costs or even general costs. Or you are going to have to hire
department heads to give you quotes.

300 feet curve road.
7 p.m

Locations are not priced by the foot. A three day shoot will cost more
than a one day shoot. Find the location you want to use and contact
the proper people. It could cost a few hundred. It could cost a few
thousand. It may cost nothing.

tyres burning , 5 small sized vhicles up side. where atleast two are going to get fired later.

You can rent the three that you aren't burning. Unless “up side” means
you need the vehicles upside down. Then you may have to buy them. I
assume you mean two will be set on fire. You have to buy those.

Then there is transport to the location, the costs of setting them on fire,
controlling the fire, putting out the fire and transporting the vehicles away
from the location. You know your area better than I do. You know how
much five small sized vehicles will cost. If you don't you're going to have
to find out because no one here can do that for you.

70 -80 people causing riot.

70 to 80 people will cost a few hundred or a few thousand. You need to
breakdown how long you need them and if you are paying a flat rate or
an hourly rate and what that rate is. I can't tell you what extras charge
in your area.

police van , and some 15 cops gathered.

Same with the cops. 15 actors in costume. YOU need to find the prices
for uniforms and how much you are paying the people. Check your local
area to find out how much a police van will cost to rent.

later petrol bombs will thrown.
spark in street light.
two poles will broke in middle and fall on one of the vehicle . fire caught.

Petrol bombs will require pyrotechnicians. The two poles broken and falling
will require special effects people.

Ball park based on my experience; this scene will take three days to shoot
and cost $50,000. It may be much less in your area. Now that you have done
the breakdown you need to research the costs.

 

[joejohn123]

50,000 !!!!!

that's might/can be budget of any one hour movie.
show mercy senior.

By the way whats the purpose of studio setting and all.

how much would they charge to help something build /establish for this kind of scene.

 

[Sweetie]

Again it depends on where you are. The sound stage (like a big massive warehouse for filming) most local to me charges $10k a day. If you're looking at a 3 day shoot, plus build time + break down time, you could easily be looking at 50k just for rental charges with everything on top of that.

There's a local studio (about the size of a small prefab concrete warehouse lot - not sure if you have them where you are) that charges $100 or $200 an hour. He'll probably do daily/multiple day deal though that location will be too small for what you describe. You'll have to compromise.

So what do the places around you charge?

If you were to do it here, you'd have to either fly your people in or hire locals.

 

[joejohn123]

Forget about creating set , investing 50,000.

With less than 5,000 I can make it happen.

So now ,
It is all dependent on Art and craft of script AND Screen writer'S skill.

I surely will write a SCREEN WRITING in this part to assure production house , that it won't cost at all.

With just flares and few 5-6 guys and background voice.
Hope camera man understands as I write it all.

Even , bringing down light pole,sparks.
burning cars, petrol bombs, burning ware house and farm house ,guys nusence act in riot.

And I'm not flossing here.

flares light in car , that makes look like as if car is set fire in the night.
the light gaze in the eyes while standing in front of fire in the night.

In the night situation advantages me a lot.


In this fashion I can even get more great scenes than the set of 50,000.

I can write a scene that makes it look very real
The cost of scene would be just as the cost of scene, 5 TO 6 guys sitting to gether outdoor and talking.

That's what SCript writing and SCREEN WRITERS DO.

 

[Sweetie]

It's not really the writers skill. The skill of the writer has little to do with the cost of the film. Your skill determines the quality of the script. Your decisions CAN cause the budget to go higher. Others may be able to rein in those costs.

What you wanted was the cost for your particular breakdown of your scene. You give the same scene to 50 directors and you'll probably get 50 different break downs, each ranging in costs, locations, requirements and so on. Michael Bays budget will be different from yours, which will be different from Rik which will be different from mine and so on.

I can write a scene that makes it look very real

A written scene doesn't look real until it's filmed and put together. It takes many, many people to get it from the script to the final result.

 

[wheatgrinder]

Fix it in the script.

in context of the story how important is this scene? I understand the information your trying to convey is probably very important to the story, but there could be other ways to present the specific information about the characters.

For example, Rather than showing the riot you could shift the kid overhearing the mobster to another setting..

Kid at sports bar watching the home team lose terribly.. everyone in the bar talking about how there will be trouble when the fans leave the stadium.. The kid notices a group of mobsters cheering each time the opposing team makes a goal. The kid assumes they are just fans supporting the other team, but before he can make any trouble, he overhears them talking about the plot to collect on insurance.. This is an AH HA! moment for the kid, he runs home, while the game is still on, he positions his dads car in just the right place, maybe makes a few gas bottle bombs or what ever and puts them in the trunk. We focus on the Planning phase.. The kid rigging and testing a timer to pop open the truck with a big cardboard sign saying "take one" etc..

Once the planning is done, the kid returns back to the bar, to watch on TV the riot and his plan unfold.
At the right time he leaves on his bike, riding towards the riot, fist pumping in the air.etc..

Cut to next day, aftermath, etc..

The idea is that you can show all the action, in the planning phase, without the expense of an actual riot, in the bar you can use stock riot footage, with maybe a few simple cutaways you need to reinforce your story..

If you cut to the next day aftermath, it will be a lot cheaper \ simpler to have one burned out car smoldering, maybe a broken shop windows etc. then a full fledged riot with real fire etc..

 

[Morris]

You might be able to find some stock footage. If you were great at CGI, you could some parts.

 

[joejohn123]

Fix it in the script.

in context of the story how important is this scene? I understand the information your trying to convey is probably very important to the story, but there could be other ways to present the specific information about the characters.

For example, Rather than showing the riot you could shift the kid overhearing the mobster to another setting..

Kid at sports bar watching the home team lose terribly.. everyone in the bar talking about how there will be trouble when the fans leave the stadium.. The kid notices a group of mobsters cheering each time the opposing team makes a goal. The kid assumes they are just fans supporting the other team, but before he can make any trouble, he overhears them talking about the plot to collect on insurance.. This is an AH HA! moment for the kid, he runs home, while the game is still on, he positions his dads car in just the right place, maybe makes a few gas bottle bombs or what ever and puts them in the trunk. We focus on the Planning phase.. The kid rigging and testing a timer to pop open the truck with a big cardboard sign saying "take one" etc..

Once the planning is done, the kid returns back to the bar, to watch on TV the riot and his plan unfold.
At the right time he leaves on his bike, riding towards the riot, fist pumping in the air.etc..

Cut to next day, aftermath, etc..

The idea is that you can show all the action, in the planning phase, without the expense of an actual riot, in the bar you can use stock riot footage, with maybe a few simple cutaways you need to reinforce your story..

If you cut to the next day aftermath, it will be a lot cheaper \ simpler to have one burned out car smoldering, maybe a broken shop windows etc. then a full fledged riot with real fire etc..

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other ways. a lot of option.

kid has got license.

take car to hill , make big rock slam on car while parked(avalanche) .
report it as nature act.
There are enough ways that nature act to cause destruction to farm house too.

reason I wanted is , while Story ran in my head , it looked cool.
I didn't liked to compromise it, so I thought of it.
It's about a story how he turns into CON ARTIST( 1 hour movie script).

Now I have thought of cutting all the clever act and relationships in one movie into many short movie.

Thank you guys.

Writting is one thing .but, directing is more difficult.

I had enough reason to blame guys on this site for not select my good script of low budget and of great theme.

but here in this case I can't blame them.

 

[WalterB]

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I had enough reason to blame guys on this site for not select my good script of low budget and of great theme.

but here in this case I can't blame them.

You're posts on IT are staccato.
At best.
Unpleasant to decypher.
Communication skills lacking.
It seems.
People think.
If writing on forum poor.
What good to expect from script?

Besides that.
Being rude never helps.
Talk like that to friends.
Face to face.
They may know you mean well.
We see rude poor written posts.

Sorry.
Had to be blund.
Hope scales fall from your eyes.
Always two sides to story.
Work on your communication skills.

English your native language?

(Well, it certainly ain't my native language, but I try and do my best to formulate my thoughts in a proper and clear way. It may not always be flawless, but it doesn't read like a barely intelligeable telegram from the Wild West. )

On topic:
$5000,- for 100 exta's 5 trashed cars, 3 days of crew?
Good luck, but you need to fix it in script and on screen to cut down on expenses.

You can intercut with newsreporter from a save distance or after the riots, but that might not fit the script.

 

[Sweetie]

while Story ran in my head , it looked cool

Until it's on the screen, it only looks good to you. Until it's on the screen, it only has the potential to look good.

Writting is one thing .but, directing is more difficult.

It's always tougher to be the boss.

The problem I think you're having is your ideas are outside your means. Don't let that get you down. Most of us do that a lot of the time. We think of these grandiose scenes or a big concept. When you're a nobody, it's important to think about what you can make within your means. If you don't, those words are just going to sit there until your means catches up with your ambition or you find someone else to make it that has the means who also thinks it's great.