Royal Free = Good to go?

Have you searched their site and READ the terms of the license? Why would you ask us without reading the details at the site?

Forgive me for preaching a bit... but I run a music licensing site (not royalty free), and it blows my mind how many people just assume that royalty-free means they're "covered" - Mind blowing. "Dude I use AudioBlocks.... I'm covered" You obviously haven't read the license.... Have you?!?

I looked on the site you linked to... in order to cover every potential use, you should buy the extended license.
 
Have you searched their site and READ the terms of the license? Why would you ask us without reading the details at the site?

Forgive me for preaching a bit... but I run a music licensing site (not royalty free), and it blows my mind how many people just assume that royalty-free means they're "covered" - Mind blowing. "Dude I use AudioBlocks.... I'm covered" You obviously haven't read the license.... Have you?!?

I looked on the site you linked to... in order to cover every potential use, you should buy the extended license.

Well I've been trying to put together a police outfit for the better half of a year. You would think something like this so standard for indie films there would be some guidance on the issue but I've received none.

I also assumed that with something like audio blocks you would be covered, since you are paying for a license. Go figure.

I hate all of this red tape.
 
Audioblocks has "Section 6" of their contract.... it's title is "NO WARRANTY"
It states that Audioblocks hasn't reviewed the music, that it may not be cleared of liability, and that you assume all the liability of using the music. Basically it means that the music could be stolen or have illegal samples... and all the risk is on you. Why else would you have access to unlimited music for $99 a year?

This is not a lot of red tape.... it's the basic fundamentals of film making. This is also a reason that most major films don't allow the use of Royalty-Free material... there is value in paying to create original material.

How much would it cost to pay a talented 20yr old to design what you want? Probably not much more than what you're paying in licensing.
 
Audioblocks has "Section 6" of their contract.... it's title is "NO WARRANTY"
It states that Audioblocks hasn't reviewed the music, that it may not be cleared of liability, and that you assume all the liability of using the music. Basically it means that the music could be stolen or have illegal samples... and all the risk is on you. Why else would you have access to unlimited music for $99 a year?

This is not a lot of red tape.... it's the basic fundamentals of film making. This is also a reason that most major films don't allow the use of Royalty-Free material... there is value in paying to create original material.

How much would it cost to pay a talented 20yr old to design what you want? Probably not much more than what you're paying in licensing.

Okay well #1 it's not unlimited music. There are only a finite number of tracks.

2 this is not the basic fundamentals of film making. the basic fundamentals are lighting and sound. this is country-specific law which has nothing to do with film making fundamentals.

Sure seems like a lot of red tape to me if i'm still struggling with this simple costume 6 months later. Doesn't seem all that obvious either if according to your first post here tons and tons of people make this same mistake.

as for "This is also a reason that most major films don't allow the use of Royalty-Free material… " i have no idea what this means, they allow? Who are they allowing or not allowing, they have no authority over me. Do you mean thats why most major films don't USE royalty free music?

Do you know a 20 year old that will make me a custom police patch?


thank you for this though i have learned some things
 
Okay well #1 it's not unlimited music. There are only a finite number of tracks.

2 this is not the basic fundamentals of film making. the basic fundamentals are lighting and sound. this is country-specific law which has nothing to do with film making fundamentals.

Sure seems like a lot of red tape to me if i'm still struggling with this simple costume 6 months later. Doesn't seem all that obvious either if according to your first post here tons and tons of people make this same mistake.

as for "This is also a reason that most major films don't allow the use of Royalty-Free material… " i have no idea what this means, they allow? Who are they allowing or not allowing, they have no authority over me. Do you mean thats why most major films don't USE royalty free music?

Do you know a 20 year old that will make me a custom police patch?


thank you for this though i have learned some things

Why do you need a custom police patch. Don't most police costumes from costume shops come with a cheap generic one attached to the shoulders anyway? Or are you looking for something a bit more specific to your film?

I might be able to make you something for a small price, if you're interested. One time fee sorta thing.
 
Why do you need a custom police patch. Don't most police costumes from costume shops come with a cheap generic one attached to the shoulders anyway? Or are you looking for something a bit more specific to your film?

Anything with an image on it is typically protected by copyright.
It would be illegal for me to include a patch like that in a film, that's a huge part of the problem that I'm facing. I wouldn't have the right to sell my film anywhere if I used a patch like that.

I would need two patches - I am considering at this point using an outline of the state and the words POLICE. I could get this for under $10 each outfit and might be good enough.
 
Anything with an image on it is typically protected by copyright.
It would be illegal for me to include a patch like that in a film, that's a huge part of the problem that I'm facing. I wouldn't have the right to sell my film anywhere if I used a patch like that.

I would need two patches - I am considering at this point using an outline of the state and the words POLICE. I could get this for under $10 each outfit and might be good enough.

So the basic costume itself can be used freely, but if it has a logo-styled design on it, that likely is covered by copyright?
 
Make & design a simple patch with a design that you like -
"Protecting and Defending our town for over 100 Years!" or something like that.
And an American flag (not subject to copyright restrictions).
Then have a company make a few for you - there are lots of companies that will do that for a small fee.
 
These patches all say royalty free, does that mean I could use it in my film?
http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-f...-law-enforcement-badges-patches-image29760866
In general royalty free means you do not have to pay for each use.
I clicked on your link. The artists name is there. I clicked on that
and it lead me to this:

"Mike McDonald is a stock illustrator and graphic designer." And a
website with contact info. You are most likely safe using his designs.
Is there are reason you don't want to ask him personally?

I know it's "red tape" to you and you hate it, but it's good that you
understand that artists deserve to have some control over the use
of their work. Contact the guy. Tell him what you're doing and what
you're looking for. There may very well be an extended license you
can purchase.
 
For a small price maybe this is the way to go. You have some design experience?

And then I will release it to the public domain so any other film makers can use it without all the stress or effort.

I have a general grasp of the concept.
Strictly speaking, I do not have a degree in design, nor do I have other experience in doing it for others beyond a few minor instances. But I've done enough similar things that I could make something up for you rather quickly I think.

But I wanted to offer because I know how many people out there don't seem to have experience with Illustrator or Photoshop, and yet they often need resources made with these softwares, or made by people who use them more frequently. And since I don't have any particular ties to the industry of design, I figure me making a design like this for a small price and no royalty ties would be helpful for both of us.

However, I would first like to know what the police uniforms are for in terms of your film project, and what if any specific look you might be going for? Could it be a less typical police-styled insignia but still fit the mold?
 
Well this site has broken in the last week apparently - I can't see any avatars anymore so I assume you can't see mine. I'll be playing a fat doughnut eating cop as the protagonist in my film :)

On a blue shirt
http://www.uniformswarehouse.com/elbeco-t2-short-sleeve-shirt-for-men-french-blue-7109.html

"less typical" makes me nervous without knowing what you have in mind but yeah it doesn't have to be standard although the shield shape is probably a good idea to go with.

I've been searching around for public domain images the last hour or two, I found this one that is decent. Not "public domain" but creative commons. IDK if that is safe or not, legal matters frighten and confuse me.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CANADA_-_ONTARIO_-Windsor_police.jpg

I'm also nervous about getting a patch made from an image that already looks like a patch. Seems like it would be a photocopy of a photocopy and start to look awful. So yeah, lets make one.

One did you have in mind?

edit - I will start to look around at some of these custom uniform patch websites to see their requirements for submitting an image. I just checked one and it says they will design one for you so maybe that is a possibility too. I guess I need to gather more information still.
 
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oooooohhh here is an idea.
apparently federal government stuff can't be copyrighted.

and there are federal patches available on ebay.
Doesn't quite make sense for my character but i don't think anyone would look that close and I think i would be covered legally.

and it would only cost a couple bucks.

what do you think?
 
oooooohhh here is an idea.
apparently federal government stuff can't be copyrighted.

and there are federal patches available on ebay.
Doesn't quite make sense for my character but i don't think anyone would look that close and I think i would be covered legally.

and it would only cost a couple bucks.

what do you think?

Not sure if it's legal to own pieces of official uniforms and have someone wear them, even for a fictional reason, unless you get approval from somewhere. I've never had to deal with that, though. So I can't be certain. It just seems more iffy in that instance.
 
federal government stuff can't be copyrighted

My understanding is everything the US federal govt is released into the public domain. So, while I'm not sure if they couldn't copyright it, they don't.

Not sure if it's legal to own pieces of official uniforms and have someone wear them, even for a fictional reason

That may depend on your local laws. Over here, you can, however there are strict laws that prohibit you from impersonating an officer with very stringent exceptions (acting is one of those exceptions). It may be worth checking your local, state and federal laws.
 
this is not the basic fundamentals of film making. the basic fundamentals are lighting and sound. this is country-specific law which has nothing to do with film making fundamentals.

I agree with soundslikejoe, it is a basic fundamental of filmmaking and of any creative craft. Lighting and sound might be the physical fundamentals of filmmaking but physical fundamentals are not the only fundamentals. For example what are you lighting and what does your sound contain? Also, although there are variations from country to country, all countries (AFAIK) have some form of copyright protection and most countries in the world are signed up to international conventions or treaties to provide cross border protection for copyright holders.

Do you mean thats why most major films don't USE royalty free music?

Yes, that's what he means. Contracts between the prodco and composer will always (in my experience) contain a clause requiring the composer to create original music and most contain a clause indemnifying the prodco against copyright infringements and even against claims of copyright infringement.

You would think something like this so standard for indie films there would be some guidance on the issue but I've received none.

I believe US law is the same as UK law in that ignorance of the law cannot be used as a defence. In other words, it's not incumbent for anyone to give you this information (and you to receive it), it is incumbent on you to find it out! Having said this, most university media based courses do include lectures/information on copyright and in some countries inclusion of copyright and other legal issues (such as Health and Safety) are a legal requirement for government accredited qualifications. The basics of copyright law are not taught in general compulsory education though, which is one of the reasons why, in this day and age of it being so easy to create, copy and distribute content. that so many people don't understand it, don't agree with it and/or routinely break it.

I also assumed that with something like audio blocks you would be covered, since you are paying for a license. Go figure.

A license is just a contract between a copyright holder and someone who wants to use/exploit that copyright. The license lays out the conditions under which the copyright holder agrees to let you use/exploit their copyright. Every license can therefore contain different conditions (when, where and how you are allowed to exploit the copyright) and all those conditions are entirely at the discretion of the copyright holder. In other words, anything you want to use which has a license, you have to read that license and comply with all it's conditions or negotiate with the copyright holder for different conditions.

I hate all of this red tape.

No creative likes red tape but on the other hand, if/when you start making things for which there is a demand, that red tape is what will enable you to make money/a living from it!

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