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Rights for sequels - can a screenwriter continue his own story?

When I sell a script to a producer, I sell the rights to change it, to hire people to write sequels to it. But do I have the rights to write the sequel myself? I mean, if I sell the script, I lose it entirely? This is no longer my creation? I can't expand it? Or it goes like, - "you got the money? screw off!"
 
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I thought about writing a novel, but then chose to write a screenplay. The first reason is that people watch movies more than read books. Secondly, writing a screenplay doesn't require a high level of literature. The final reason is the money. Money IS important. Screenwriting usually promises more income. And, of course, publishing novel is not easier than selling a screenplay.

But now I think I really should reconsider my choice.

If you're in it for the money, you should reconsider both options. Writing is a passion career like that of Filmmaking and if you're in it for the money you'll most likely not get far.

Also I find that both novels AND screenplays require a high level of literature. I'd rather a screenplay to have symbolism and sublime plots like that of a great novel.
 
Just a theoretical question: What if I somehow sell the screenplay, but continue the story writing a novel. Won't it go against the contract? I mean, that's not a screenplay, but it tells of the same characters and setting.

If you're in it for the money, you should reconsider both options. Writing is a passion career like that of Filmmaking and if you're in it for the money you'll most likely not get far.
Passion alone does not pay your rent or give you food. :) Writing requires much time and efforts, like any other job. Do you value your time and efforts? Besides, you're not writing to put it on a shelf - you want others to read it, don't you? Writing as a hobby will not make many people read your work.

Of course I'm not trying to write only for money, because there are many other and better ways to get rich. I love writing, and I want to make a career on it. Career means doing something and get paid for it.

Also I find that both novels AND screenplays require a high level of literature. I'd rather a screenplay to have symbolism and sublime plots like that of a great novel.
I'm talking about the language. Screenplays don't need high language and beautiful verbal descriptions. As far as I saw - successful screenplays make it short and to the point.
 
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When I sell a script to a producer, I sell the rights to change it, to hire people to write sequels to it. But do I have the rights to write the sequel myself? I mean, if I sell the script, I lose it entirely? This is no longer my creation? I can't expand it? Or it goes like, - "you got the money? screw off!"

If it's an original premise, as in, it's not part of the franchise like Batman or Star Trek, then it would depend on the terms of the contract, so get an entertainment lawyer on your side.

If it's a script involving a franchise, like Batman Comes Back Yet Again, then you would only have the rights to that movie, and you would probably not have the rights to any sequels, unless Warner Brothers gives you that right, which it probably wouldn't.
 
Here are two examples of an original film that was a success, garnered sequels but the same creative people involved in the first film remained for the sequels. First I will mention what is fact about them then second I will comment what I imagine may have been the case for other areas.

Back to the Future of course was a huge success and Universal was going to go ahead with a sequel with or without Zemeckis and Gale so they agreed. In this case they were very fortunate to even be given an ultimatum. It could have easily been a case of being told we're going to do a sequel without you. Goodbye.

Star Wars was such a huge success that sequels of course were made. But the interesting thing about this case is that George Lucas made a deal with 20th Century Fox that he were to retain all merchandising and sequel rights of the franchise and in turn he would decline his director's fee.

In the above two examples those involved were very fortunate that the original film they worked on was a success and enough of a success that they were able to remain involved in the sequels. Now for the parts of those two examples that I imagine might have been included in those facts, remember I'm not claiming that what I'm about to write is fact, just my musings on what other things may have happened.

For Back to the Future it may have been a case of Universal seeing that there was a potential for sequels and they really always (after Back to the Future was a success) wanted Zemeckis and Gale to be involved but in order to make sure they may have gone for the hard front in telling them a sequel was being made with or without them, hoping that they would say yes but if they said no they might be in a bind unless they found people who could make it work.

On the other side of this it may have been the case that Zemeckis and Gale evaluated the situation and may have decided to remain involved with the sequels because they may have thought there was a possibility the sequels may ruin the first film and so in order to steer the ship correctly they said yes to being involved.

Who knows whether this was the game both parties were playing but I assume that this kind of thing happens in the big leagues behind the scenes. A game of back and forth, showing your left but giving your right, holding cards close to your chest, a game of chess where you have to use the right strategy at the right time in order to come out on top.

For Star Wars 20th Century Fox may have looked at it's success and figured that George Lucas was a talent they needed to retain as his involvement would likely result in more success. But perhaps the fact that Star Wars had a hard time during production the studio may have had a little bit of resentment towards George and if he didn't do the sequels then perhaps they would still try to find someone who could.

However they may have thought that if George were to say no then they could be searching for years for someone to do the sequels so we should try to keep George on board and how do we do this? George comes to the table and may have said okay if I'm going to be involved in the sequels I want to make sure I have creative control so I'm willing to forego my director's fee as long as I can retain sequel and merchandising rights. He may have known at the back of his mind that 20th Century Fox would not think that the merchandising rights were a big deal, they may think that the sequel rights are a big deal but they may have decided that that was also a small price to pay for more sequels.

George may have seen beyond the film itself and recognized the massive commercial opportunity with selling merchandise based on Star Wars and so he wanted to retain control over that as well as sequels. He of course already had sequels in mind so for him it may have just been a case of now they see the potential of the universe I've created so they will allow me to do the sequels. George was also in a very powerful position because not only was Star Wars a huge success commercially but also for the film industry itself. In my opinion it seems that George gained even more creative control and 20th Century Fox became just a studio that presents Star Wars as opposed to one that controls Star Wars like they would control any other film under them.

I guess as a filmmaker questions that have to be asked of oneself are:

"If I am really passionate about this story, if it's a success, would I want to be involved in sequels and have creative control?"

"If I am worried that any sequels that were made without me would ruin the original then should I go ahead with this film or should I leave it for now until I have power to retain complete creative control?"

"If I really want to retain creative control over any sequels for this project should I look at doing films that I may not really have much interest in so I can gain financing for the projects I really want to do?"

I would probably go with the third question. It seems a lot of filmmakers go that route. Christopher Nolan with The Dark Knight Trilogy may have decided that in order to do The Prestige he had to do The Dark Knight, in order to do Inception he had to do The Dark Knight Rises and now that he's done The Dark Knight Rises he can do Interstellar.

If this is the case then I don't think he didn't have any passion or interest in the Batman films I just think he may have seen the best way to get personal projects made was to work on sequels to Batman Begins to ensure the characters established are treated the way in which he felt they should as well as gaining leverage to do his personal projects.

I can tell you this as a complete fact - I wish I was a fly on the wall in every meeting that takes place for films :D
 
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Not to hijack your thread, Inarius, but I asked a similar question a while back and got some very helpful answers. They may help you too.

The news ain't exactly great. But, it would be hard to turn down a six figure payment, too, if we were to be so lucky. =)
 
From what I understood, that selling your story, the screenwriter loses all the upcoming sequels he has in mind. Suppose if you want to write a trilogy, you sell the Part 1, and you will never be able to write Part 2 and Part 3, unless the producer hires you. But even if the movie blows up the box office, why should he hire you, if there are professional experienced writers out there?
 
That would be my concern if I was fond of a story beyond the (possibly wonderful) payment for it. I'm under the impression that they have pools of favored, experienced writers that they tend to want to go to. Is that the case? But you'd still be very fortunate to make such a sale, especially if they actually gave you a writing credit for it, which might help your career.
 
Writing credits and payment are good, but someone else writes the story, and he writes something different. Well, if it's a story that I don't care about, then it's not a problem. As I understand, a beginning writer shouldn't begin his career with stories he really wants to expand.
 
I thought about writing a novel, but then chose to write a screenplay. The first reason is that people watch movies more than read books. Secondly, writing a screenplay doesn't require a high level of literature. The final reason is the money. Money IS important. Screenwriting usually promises more income. And, of course, publishing novel is not easier than selling a screenplay.

But now I think I really should reconsider my choice.

I'm going to disagree with you on both counts.

(1) I am not a big book reader, and yes I watch lots of movies, but all of my friends read books. Unless you have stats that show more people watch movies than read books I wouldn't adopt this philosophy.

(2) Just because a Screenplay ends up being 120 pages or less does not mean it's "less words to deal with" or a "lower level of literature". When you write a screenplay you are artfully reducing 400 pages of literature into 120. That takes a LOT of skill and creative use of wording.

My Screenplay could easily be two movies. I'm struggling to get it all packed into one movie. I have it down to 150 pages ...but that's too many for a spec script writer. A "Novel" would be the best way out for me as I can pull ideas from my own novel

Unless you think writing a novel would be ....too hard?:cool:

-Birdman
 
1) - How long does it take to read a book? And how long does it take to see a movie? If the book is very interesting, it takes like a week to read it. But usually it is more than a week. In one week, average people watch 3 movies.

2) - I didn't say writing a screenplay is easier than a book. I'm sure that if you give J.K. Rowling to write a screenplay, she will find it difficult. Why? Because she is used to write literature. On the other hand, give a screenwriter to write a book, it will be difficult for him, because he is used to write screenplays. The two things are two different levels of writing.

3) - I've heard of people NOT from English-speaking countries, that sold screenplays to Hollywood. There was one from Russia. But I never heard of someone writing and publishing a novel in English, unless he is from English-speaking countries.
 
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3) - I've heard of people NOT from English-speaking countries, that sold screenplays to Hollywood.
Did they write in their native language and sell to "Hollywood"? Did
they write in English? Did they have a track record in their home
country as writers? By "Hollywood" do you mean the major studios?

I'd love to know who you've heard of. Inspiring stories there.
 
Did they write in their native language and sell to "Hollywood"? Did
they write in English? Did they have a track record in their home
country as writers? By "Hollywood" do you mean the major studios?

I'd love to know who you've heard of. Inspiring stories there.

His name was Michael Nizberg, and his story was named "Present" (if it wasn't changed). It's about a guy, who gets a strange present - an intelligent cellphone that speaks to him. It helps him win in casino, saves his life, but also gives him many problems. All the secret services start watching him.

Of course he wrote it in English :lol: And sold it to Joel Silver.

Well, that Michael was a manager somewhere in the Media sphere (can't say exactly) in Moscow. Not somebody from the street.
 
Just an interesting thing I wanted to pop into this thread.

Did you know that almost none of the Die Hard movies were original screenplays written for the Die Hard series?

The original Die Hard was based on a novel the studios had optioned with the idea that Frank Sinatra would play the aging hero who was a retired police officer visiting his daughter in Los Angeles.

Die Harder was coopted from a screenplay based a novel that the studio had optioned that had nothing to do with original Die Hard.

Die Hard with Vengeneance was based on a screenplay called Troubleshooter that was in development hell, but then was reworked for John McLane and the Die Hard series.

The fourth Die Hard was reworked from a script called WW3 that was based off an article in Wired Magazine.

A Good Day to Die Hard was the only movie in the series to be written from the get-go as an original script for that franchise.
 
ahennessey, so they changed the title, but the idea is still the same, isn't it?

It reminds me of Max Payne movie, based on the computer game Max Payne. The only thing common between the game and the movie is the name - Max Payne - and the background story of the protagonist. The story of the movie itself has nothing to do with the original story. That really pissed me off, 'cuz the plot of the game was SO MUCH BETTER. I hate when they're doing that :(
 
Another amusing and interesting tidbit involving authorship/sequel rights in franchises.

First Blood was originally a novel written by James Morrell in which the hero dies.

When a sequel was made, the author wrote a novelization of the second movie, but he had to share authorship of his novel with James Cameron and Sly Stallone (who had come up with the story for the second movie.)
 
Another amusing and interesting tidbit involving authorship/sequel rights in franchises.

First Blood was originally a novel written by James Morrell in which the hero dies.

When a sequel was made, the author wrote a novelization of the second movie, but he had to share authorship of his novel with James Cameron and Sly Stallone (who had come up with the story for the second movie.)

So, if I want to tell a story with sequels, I have to write and publish ALL the sequels, and ONLY THEN agree to turn it into a movie. This way they can't limit me. They can do further sequels, though, but I won't care at that point.
 
His name was Michael Nizberg, and his story was named "Present" (if it wasn't changed).
Can't find anything about him. Too bad. I love these kinds of stories.

Any other people not from English-speaking countries who sold
screenplays to Hollywood that you can think of?
 
Die Hard with Vengeneance was based on a screenplay called Troubleshooter that was in development hell, but then was reworked for John McLane and the Die Hard series.

so they changed the title, but the idea is still the same, isn't it?

The script was called Simon Says. They changed more than the title, but a lot of the film stayed mostly the same. That's often the nature of scripts. The writer writes it, producers often do some tweaking, the director gets in and makes his or her mark, the actors tweak things, studio execs and so on.
 
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