question about sennheiser mics

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LittleEarthquakes

there's roughly a $500 price difference, but what is everyone's thoughts on ME 66 or ME 67 vs. MKH 416?

looking for indoor and outdoor. will camera mount be good when fairly close to subjects? or would it be best to always have it on boom? if multiple subjects are standing or sitting close will it pic up well if centered so the op doesn't have to contantly shift toward each speaker?
 
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No need to buy a 416. The 66 is perfect for movie production.

What the mic is mounted to doesn't matter - on the camera,
on a boom, on a broom handle, help by hand - the distance
from the subject is what's important. If you want to keep the
mic mounted on the camera and it's within a foot or two from
the actor, you'll be fine as long as the actor doesn't turn but
keeps facing the mic.

It's always best to have someone moving the mic to pick up
the speakers. Simply hanging or pointing the mic in the general
direction of the actors is what creates the poor audio quality
you see in so many amateur and first time films. Moving the
mic from actor to actor as they speak and move will give you
much better audio.

Remember that just as with the camera, having an excellent,
professional mic doesn't give you excellent, professional results.
The skill, experience and talent of the operator is a very important
aspect to keep in mind for pro results.
 
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directorik...is me 66 or me 67 the better buy for what i've explained? I'm doing my best to fight for a mic on this project, and if I get it i'm not sure I will be able to fight for an experienced op...may have to spend a few minutes explaining how it works and what we need because I know that the on camera mic is not going to cut it
 
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I'd just like to toss this in.. not sure how much control over the production you have, but without someone who has a clue what they're doing with a boom, you'll still end up with horrid audio. So, if you can't get a good competent boom op, the shoot would be better put on hold until it is possible to do so, rather than wasting everyones time.

My gut feeling is that this is a no-budget production, and as such the only "pay" anyone will get is a final copy of the film... there's no sense in putting in the time to produce something that's half-assed, when you should be able to find someone experienced in running boom -- even if they're working on that same agreement, no pay, credit and a copy of the finished film.

If you don't have the necessary authority to make that happen.. tell whomever is in charge that you want to do a test shoot to determine the best gear needed or something along those lines, if they have even half a clue they'll hear the difference. Also keep in mind there's no reason you have to BUY a mic & boom, you could rent it, or if you put out an ad (craigslist and the like) you can probably find someone who owns the gear and knows how to use it willing to work on the project.
 
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no rental places in our area...my issue isn't that there isn't anyone who knows how to op a boom but that there will be a few times in which space will be tight, but you're right...i'm basically trying my best to make suggestions that are as afordable as possible that will not result in crapy sound
 
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Having used both, I can highly recommend against using the ME66/K6 combination. The 416 is far better. I'd even go one further and suggest the MKH-60 as it's a lot more forgiving if you get the mic slightly off-axis.
 
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Will is right. You can buy the very best microphone ever made and
a top of the line 4 section, expandable Carbon Fiber boom and
still end up with poor audio if you just point it in the general
direction of the actors.

Same thing if Panavision was to donate an entire package and you
handed it to a guy who once shot a wedding for his cousin.
 
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london_sound_guy said:
Having used both, I can highly recommend against using the ME66/K6 combination. The 416 is far better. I'd even go one further and suggest the MKH-60 as it's a lot more forgiving if you get the mic slightly off-axis.
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What were your negative experiences? I already own the ME66/K6 combo, so I'd be interested in knowing what to watch out for based on your experience.

Thanks.
 
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