Pros and cons of DSLR

Nothing new in this post. Everything I'm about to type has been said somewhere, by somebody, in this forum, probably more than once. However, considering the fact that a lot of newbs are just kinda weirded out by DSLR for video, I thought it'd be convenient to make a quick list (or something like a list) of the pros & cons, so that any time someone is curious and wants more info, we don't need to type it all up again, but just direct them here. Needless to say, if I've left anything pertinent out (pro or con), please let me know so that I can edit this post to be more complete.

COST
For many people, yours truly included, this is pro #1. When it came time for me to get a new camera, I only had $1000. For less than $1000, there's really no camera that will get footage anywhere near the quality of the T2i. The Canon DSLRs shoot full HD (1080, vs 720), and the image quality is superb. So, I actually didn't even have a choice.

The flip-side of the cost issue is how much money you'll probably want to spend on other stuff. For starters, one of the big advantages (if not THE advantage) is being able to change lenses. Well, lenses cost money. Your lenses can range from $100, on the low end, to many hundreds of dollars. I think most DSLR users would argue that you can get away with a basic 3-4 lens setup, but that question can only be answered by you – how much control over your image do you want, and how much are you willing to spend on the glass?

Also, in discussing cost, we need to mention audio. Not advisable to record audio to your camera. Just go ahead and add a digital audio recorder to your budget. Lastly, many DSLR users feel the need to mount their camera, and depending on where you buy, these mounts and various accessories (like a good follow-focus system, or an HD monitor) can get quite costly.

In the end, if you go full-bore, getting a variety of good lenses, a camera mount, follow-focus, and an HD monitor, you're probably going to be spending a good deal more than the people that went the HDV route.

Me? I just shot a feature, using the kit-lens, and absolutely no accessories. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to have all that other stuff, but I feel like I came out of it pretty nicely, and I didn't find working with the camera (in it's native-born state) difficult, at all (I got my filmmaking start in miniDV). For that reason, it is my opinion that the T2i is THE poor-man's camera. On the flip side, plenty of people with a great deal of money have also chosen DSLR, but they've gone in the opposite direction, spending more money than the HDV people. Ultimately, I feel like this dichotomy is an advantage – you can spend lots of money; you can spend next to nothing; you can spend somewhere in-between; no matter what, the camera fits your budget.

FOCUS
In my discussions with other DSLR users, I think this is probably the most popular reason why people buy these cameras for video. In video production, one thing that has been absent, until recently, is a shallow depth of field. Now that we can finally play with this filmmaking tool, it seems everybody is clamoring for it. Tons of people are jumping on the DSLR bandwagon, and a bunch of other people are building and/or purchasing 35mm adapters for their HDV cameras.

Working with a shallow depth of field requires a whole new skill, that needs to be practiced, and I think most DSLR users would agree that you'd benefit greatly by purchasing a good follow-focus setup (which requires a mount). And that takes us back to the issue of cost.

However, if really shallow depth of field is what you want (and many would argue that you need it, to give your footage a more “cinematic” feel), DSLR wins. As mentioned earlier, plenty of people are adding 35mm adapters to their HDV cams to get the same results. It should be noted that if you go the 35mm adapter route, you'll end up spending just as much money on lenses and mount, as you would with DSLR, but you also have to purchase the adapter, and your camera is more expensive to start with. Also, with the 35mm adapter, you need more light to properly expose your image. I think most 35mm adapter users would argue that the image quality of a good 3ccd HDV cam is better than a DSLR.

*maybe a 35mm adapter user can chime in on why they feel this way?

And, while we're talking focus, it's worth mentioning that neither the 5D, 7D or T2i offer meaningful auto-focus, while shooting. The 60D is advertised as having a fluid auto-focus, more like what we're accustomed to on camcorders. I can envision a number of ways that auto-focus could be wanted in a documentary shoot. But for narrative, I think most DSLR users would say, “So what? Why do you even want auto-focus, dummy?”

LOW LIGHT
Uhh, yeah, it can't be beat. This is probably popular reason #2 why people are buying these cameras. If you come from a standard-video-camera background, you will be absolutely shocked with the crystal-clear image-quality you'll be able to get, in the lowest of lights.

Watch this test-footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAfCBC5VJ2A

You ain't gettin nothin even remotely resembling that with any HDV cam. And here's the wicked part – f4.5 (the aperture setting used in this video) really isn't that low; the amount of light you'd be able to pick up with a prime lens is considerably greater.

LAME SAUCE
Now, come down to Earth, for just a second. You got all high in the clouds, thinking that you have access to the same quality of equipment that the professionals are using. For low-budget filmmakers, there's no denying the overrall awesomeness of the Canon DSLRs. And the footage looks very good. But it doesn't look as good as what the professionals are using. The main problem seems to be with the video format -- it's too compressed. This is why filmmakers who can afford a more expensive high-end HDV cam are choosing to do so. I'm the wrong guy to fill you in on this issue -- check this thread to further understand why DSLR is rad, but not that rad:

http://www.indietalk.com/showthread.php?t=23804&highlight=dslr+blown

JELLO
The rolling shutter effect is one very good reason why you'll probably not want to do very much rapid panning, with a DSLR. Watch this footage. Pay attention to the sides of the buildings, and the telephone pole:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhfQnIQPMjM

See how everything got all bendy? That will happen any time you pan rapidly. You can tilt to your heart's content, but vertical lines will get bendy, when you move the camera horizontally. I've only done test-footage with my T2i; I've heard that jello is actually more pronounced with the 5D, though I personally cannot confirm nor deny that.

ALIASING
Aliasing is an effect that comes about as a result of too much of a good thing. The 5D, 7D and T2i are shooting still pictures at 18MP. That's HUGE, and that's what the camera is primarily designed to do. For shooting video, however, this is just too much -- these camera's insides are not capable of handling such a huge amount of data for video. So, one of the ways that Canon makes it possible to shoot video with these cameras is with line-skipping.

When you shoot video, your camera isn't reading every single line available to it, because every single line isn't needed to attain HD status. Most of the time, you won't notice what's going on. But when something really skinny is being filmed, the aliasing effect surfaces. This effect is difficult to describe -- you just kinda need to see it. I've seen it myself, in footage I shot in which a dude runs past a chainlink fence. The fence has a weird shimmering-like quality. I tried to find a good Youtube clip of aliasing, but haven't had any luck, so I'll upload my own clip to demonstrate -- can't do it now, cuz it's on a different computer than what I'm typing this from.

AUDIO
I mentioned above that you're going to want to spend money on audio. That's cuz it sucks on these cameras. There's really only one extra expense for you, however – your audio recorder. Whether you're shooting on HDV or DSLR, you're going to want to spend money on a good mic and boom, at a bare minimum. The difference with you DSLR, however, is that with a good HDV cam, you can plug your balanced line mic directly into your camera, and get decent sound. Even if you don't have a balanced input, you can still get decent sound by getting an XLR adapter. Such is not the case with DSLRs. XLR adapters do exist for DSLR, but they don't magically make the audio recording better – even with a balanced mic, plugged into your DSLR with an adapter, your audio still sucks. So, buy an audio recorder. Syncing in post is not difficult – more time-consuming, but not more difficult.

I can envision different projects in which it'd be not just convenient, but probably necessary to have everything (video & audio) in one rig. Perhaps DSLR ain't such a great idea for shooting weddings. For a narrative, however, I find it quite liberating to not be tied to my mic with a pesky audio cable.

12 MINUTE CLIPS
Canon DSLRs won't shoot continuously, forever, like a regular camcorder will (until running out of tape/memory). They have a 12-minute max length for each shot. For narrative work – who cares? But if you're trying to shoot special events (concerts, performances, documentary, wedding), this limitation could really kill you.

OVERHEATING
These cameras are designed for photography first, remember? When shooting video, the physical shutter remains open, making it impossible for you to use the viewfinder. So, in video mode, the camera display is always on. Those displays eat batteries with the quickness. The DSLR battery wasn't designed to handle this heavy work-load, and they freak-out when too much work is put on them.

Don't worry, you're camera isn't going to explode. It tells you when it's hot. If you don't turn it off, it will turn itself off, before the temperature reaches any critical point. You give it a breather (take the battery out, to speed the cooling process), just a couple minutes, and you're ready to rock.

When will it overheat? On a narrative shoot, not very often. Because you're not shooting continuously – just in short bursts. If you're trying to shoot a documentary, or some event footage, the problem would likely be recurrent.

My experience – I just shot a feature, half of which takes place outside, in the middle of the day. We shot in some of your most extremely hot and humid weather. It overheated often. It was annoying, but didn't ruin shoots. But that was only when we were outside. Inside, not one instance of overheating. I've communicated with people a little farther north, and they've reported having no overheat problems, ever.

COMPUTER/SOFTWARE
You're going to need lots of storage space. But storage is cheap, these days, so no big whoop. You can get a TB, 7200 RPM (and you need 7200 RPM) for $100. That's a good start.

As for software, the bad news is that our favorite editing suites were not designed with DSLR footage in mind, and most of them just don't work. Most people have been converting their footage to a format the software will work with, but this takes not just time, but MORE storage space. The good news is that our favorite software editing suites are catching on to this craze. I've edited T2i footage in Edius, Vegas 10, and Premiere CS5, and they all handled it just fine, in it's native format. Oh, and CS5 is fucking awesome!
 
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Awesome! Very thorough and it's nice to see it all in one place :)

It's too bad you don't have a premiere anymore, this should be a blog. Then you could direct all the newbies live Alcove ;)

As someone who owns a Canon HF200 and a (cheap) 35mm adapter, I would love to own a DSLR. I anguish over it sometimes. Not that I would sell my camera to get one, its best use is for run and gun as well as action scenes, so I'd keep it for that.

Then again, I would love wheat's whole rig. With that, there'd be no need to go DSLR for a long time.

What I'm most looking forward to are the affordable interchangeable lens camcorders. I think it's Sony who's coming out with the first one. But I'm waiting to see what Canon's answer is.


Again, nice job C Funkadelic. :thumbsup:
 
I've spent months picking up all this knowledge from different sources across the web, cookie to you for posting it all in one place Cracker!

Bottom line, go DSLR!
 
Good info, I would address compression though. The DSLR image is heavily compressed; line-skipping results in cutting the effective resolution of the sensor roughly in half and causes strong aliasing (stair-step patterns on diagonal lines) and other artifacts. Most viewers of content distributed on the internet won't ever notice this. It really seems to only be a problem for either a: projection, or b: nit-picky OCD image nerds like yours truly.

Also to add a pro: Color. I don't know what Canon has done with their "cine gamma" stuff, but the color rendition on the D series cameras in video mode is amazing. I love the idea of the hacked GH13, but the color results don't compete.
 
Awesome! Very thorough and it's nice to see it all in one place :)

What I'm most looking forward to are the affordable interchangeable lens camcorders. I think it's Sony who's coming out with the first one. But I'm waiting to see what Canon's answer is.

That sounds like a logical next step of the evolution. I think we will start to see more options similar to what Red has done on cameras too. Hopefully be able to record raw 4k or something like that. With external hard drive optional, etc...
 
Thanks CFunk. You've got me sold. The low light example is more than impressive, It's AMAZING! I watched the JELLO video 3 or 4 times and i didn't see the jello effect. It seemed more like a shaky hand. But maybe im thinking of something else. this is what i thought i was going to see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4laWLcm52Tc

Could you prevent the jello effect by using a jib or a tripod for a more fluid pan? I feel if the camera hadn't shaken so much after the pan it wouldnt look to bad.
 
Yeah, I won't be purchasing it (cuz 1 camera is all I can afford, right now), but I'm very curious to hear people's reactions to this camera:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666239819

And, it'd be nice if Red would someday finally release the Scarlet. I think either one of these could potentially steal a lot of thunder from the DSLR craze.

David, thanks for the added info -- I'll be sure to make an edit and include those, later today.
 
Could you prevent the jello effect by using a jib or a tripod for a more fluid pan? I feel if the camera hadn't shaken so much after the pan it wouldnt look to bad.

Jello is unavoidable on rapid pans. The entire image of each frame is not shot simultaneously, but rather, line by line. So, when you pan really fast (or, if an object is moving horizontally, really fast), vertical lines will bend, because when the first line is scanned, on the top, the camera is in one place, and by the time the final line is scanned, on the bottom, the camera has moved. Take one more look at the test-footage. This time, pay attention to the final building that the camera comes to rest on; pay close attention to the top corner of the building -- this is the most obvious jello in the shot. You're right, though -- most casual viewers probably wouldn't notice it or care. It's just good, as a filmmaker, to know that it's there.

I've heard that there are some solutions in post, but I have no idea how complicated, or easy, or how effective they are.
 
Yeah, I won't be purchasing it (cuz 1 camera is all I can afford, right now), but I'm very curious to hear people's reactions to this camera:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666239819

And, it'd be nice if Red would someday finally release the Scarlet. I think either one of these could potentially steal a lot of thunder from the DSLR craze.

David, thanks for the added info -- I'll be sure to make an edit and include those, later today.

Thats AWESOME... The image sensor is HUGE!
 
I've spent months picking up all this knowledge from different sources across the web, cookie to you for posting it all in one place Cracker!

Bottom line, go DSLR!

If it's all you can afford. If you can afford a real video camera, it's still a better choice. I had the option of shooting on a 7D for the new film, and used an HVX200a instead.
 
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If it's all you can afford. If you can afford a real video camera, it's still a better choice. I had the option of shooting on a 7D for the new film, and used an HVX200a instead.

Oh, and I should have mentioned in that last post that I was actually thinking of you, specifically, when I wrote that line about how 35mm adapter users feel like their image quality is better. Perhaps you'd like to expand on this, and I can include a summation of your argument in an edit of the original post? Thanks.

Ditto, to wheat -- you've mentioned the comparison before, too.
 
It's the compression factor mentioned earlier. A good adapter (a spinning one like a redrock) doesn't degrade the image at all. It costs you a stop or so in light (on a camera which may already not have the best low light abilities), but you are still getting much less compressed 1 gb per minute footage.
I am kind of over the limitations of the HVX though. Next film most likely shot on an HPX200 or a Red, unless somebody coughs up the pile of money to shoot film. I'm just not sold that there is anything good about a CMOS sensor for video unless it's the size of a truck window (as it is in the 4K cameras).

Just checked and an HPX200 (2/3" 3CCD) will shoot at a 100 mbps bit rate, so by my calculations that's 6gb a minute. Now THAT is some serious image information.
 
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Strange that the single biggest CON for the DSLR's is entirely missing from your list.

COMPRESSION is the main thing that keeps these DSLR's from being used as professional video cameras. Because they are H.264 based codec recordings, the picture quality will not stand up to the rigors and scrutiny of post production pipelines of effects and color correction, at least at the PRO level.

I agree that the DSLR's look great for the level and price, as in they blow away the competition in the under $10,000 camera range. I think a level head and realistic view is still in order. The flaws are pretty big flaws, but they work within the context of what they do and for the money spent.
 
Strange that the single biggest CON for the DSLR's is entirely missing from your list.

COMPRESSION is the main thing that keeps these DSLR's from being used as professional video cameras. Because they are H.264 based codec recordings, the picture quality will not stand up to the rigors and scrutiny of post production pipelines of effects and color correction, at least at the PRO level.

I agree that the DSLR's look great for the level and price, as in they blow away the competition in the under $10,000 camera range. I think a level head and realistic view is still in order. The flaws are pretty big flaws, but they work within the context of what they do and for the money spent.

Thanks. It's been pointed out by two other people -- definitely getting that in the first edit of the list.

It's not strange that I left it out, though -- we're just viewing this thing from different perspectives, so we notice different things. But I'm glad the compression issue is being pointed out, and I'll properly address it.











P.S. Don't be hatin!
 
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P.S. Don't be hatin!

Poppycock!! No hate here, just the data. :P

Re: Scarlett. Hush. I want them to wait long enough for me to be ready to buy. ;) Maybe.

Re: VG10, very exciting, but I don't understand why the lack of 24p. What's with all the interlace frame rates Sony?

The good news is that compression is just a function of processing power which is limited by somewhat by heat management in small cameras. It's just like computers, the smaller the housings became the harder it became to manage heat. Sure, you could stuff a DSLR body with chips fast enough to process uncompressed RAW video, for about 15 frames before it overheated. These are all problems that I'm sure designers are trying to solve - one solution looks like cameras like the VG10 and whichever one Panasonic has coming down the pipe.
 
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