Police and my guns

I'm using modified rifles (BFA's, commercially manufactured blanks), etc.. casually detonating cremora pots, squibs (both body and wall) in my art house action film. I have purchased short-term film production insurance and have approval from the county sheriff and will have police officer(s) on set prior and during these scenes.

Any advice for those who've done these kind of effects in films? Safety and legality is, of course, my first priority.
 
First off NICE!! I am elated that you are using real gunfire. Bravo man, just bravo. We are a dying breed. If I see one more silly pasted on clip art muzzle flash, often the same one for different guns in the same scene mind you, I'm going to stab my neck with a calligraphy pen.

You took far more cautionary steps than most including myself, so good on you again.

Without going into the obvious stuff about distance and pointing, the best advice I can give, if these weapons are yours, though its costly with real weapons, is to eternally dedicate the firearms being used to blankfire in perpetua. Never allow a real round anywhere near the weapon again and you'll be way ahead of the curve on safety. I mean you can always use the rifle(s) for another film right? We also chose guns that fire calibers that were a little bit "off" from what we shoot in real life to further avoid any stupid yet costly mistakes.

Some random notes from my experiences...
If you are shooting (both senses of the word) interior go with the lowest smoke rounds you can - its amazing how blackpowder can cloudcover an area. OTOH when we did full loads outside you are also getting a major upgrade in the muzzle flash - which is needed outside if your in open areas or against the sky. So weigh these things accordingly to your needs.

For some reason we got caught up in a weird 'try not to blink when you shoot' rut. This spiraled way out of control and wasted a lot of takes until we finally realized via a bit of research... everyone fucking blinks when they are firing real weapons, it's involuntary. (Not blinking during the rest of your non-gunfiring takes is the real challenge - but worth it)

Clean your guns out every night after a shoot, just like the real thing. PITA after a 12 hour day of shooting but do it.

Remember you'll be using Foley for the guns (recorded live gunfire sound, even under optimal conditions, is pretty feeble thanks to mic quality and/or compression)

When you are positive you got the take, and this includes your squibs, do one more. When we got back to editing all of the shots we thought were too over the top in the field ended up being the winners... The ones we thought were the most realistic ended up not translating as powerfully.

Take the time to get some CUT-INs of the weaponry itself, I don't mean when they're firing, but when they are being used to threaten, etc. Wasn't in the shooting script but I was glad we did when I was back in the editing room.

Again excellent job going the extra mile on this - your perceived production value will get a huge boost, worth every penny and sweat bead.
 
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Wow, great stuff. Thank you Guanto, I will implement all your advice!

No worries man, it's all just very fresh in my mind still.

And as Sweetie cautioned, please use CUT-IN's and Foley at your own risk. Also make sure blinking isn't against any county or municipal codes in your area.
 
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Basic gun safety. Never have finger on trigger. Always point the gun down when not in use. Eyes and ear protection for those who need it. No pretending/fooling around. Don't let nozzle touch the ground. safety on at all times. Don't rapid fire. Have a plan for the actor when the gun jams. etc
 
No worries man, it's all just very fresh in my mind still.

And as Sweetie cautioned, please use CUT-IN's and Foley at your own risk. Also make sure blinking isn't against any county or municipal codes in your area.

Hey, do you consider downtown [[mid-size american city]] for 4 hours @$1750 a good deal for this? I'm talking skyscrapers, public sculpture? It seems unreal to me.. did Michael Mann get this good of a deal??

I want to negotiate a better price with the cops and film office over blanks and weapons - what can I do?

I'm like a machine gun, I'm all over the place!!

haha!
 
If you're required to use an armorer, that *IS* the person you need to ask. The last thing you want to do is void your insurance or risk a weapons charge due to forum advice that may not be taking into account local laws/requirements.

My insurance policy doesn't mention an armorer- please explain!
 
Hey, do you consider downtown [[mid-size american city]] for 4 hours @$1750 a good deal for this?

A good deal for what? Do you mean just a location fee to shoot your scenes, unrelated to gunplay?

I want to negotiate a better price with the cops and film office over blanks and weapons - what can I do?

Man I wish I could help more on this but I was in a fortunate situation (by design). I'm shooting blanks in the middle of the Mojave where I could actually legally be shooting live ammunition. So I have little insight into the legality aspects. I did purchase all of my own weapons and blanks if that helps shed any light.
 
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