Nudity?

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I don't know I myself sort of likes porn hehehehe :censored: :pop: :haha:







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Will and I have talked about this as well and I do think it should be cut right out of the film and left on the floor with the rest of the trash, i mean if you cant make a point with out having to show T and A you have no right calling yourself a film maker... pritty harsh Ah hehehe jokes again but ya i do think if you do it do it like you are painting a work of art, the human body is well bloody hot as they say.





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I think it needs to be germain to the character and story for it to work for me. For instance, in a script I'm writing right now, I have a serial killer who takes his clothes off in the desert just as the sun begins to rise. He walks away from the audience into the frame. Hot air steaming from his mouth and nostrils. He absorbs the sun as it rises. It gives him power.

The same scene with the killer fully clothed just wouldn't do it for me. It wouldn't get the idea of absorbing power from the sun across...

As long as it's used for character and story, I can go with it.

Gratuitous nudity sucks. It was great when I was a teenager... LOL. But at 46, I find it ridiculous. For instance, in the recent OPEN WATER, the female character is nude in bed with her husband. Now on one hand, this could be considered okay because the character is in bed and lots of people sleep nude. However, we see nothing of the male character but he is nude as well. In other words, the camera angle hid his nudity more. I felt this made the female's nudity more of a gratuitous thing... Especially because she had a little fold of the sheet pulled up into her crotch to hide it.

This was probably was the best place for the nudity but I thought it was gratuitous and done for the R rating more than for the story. Funny thing is that if the picture had had a PG rating, it probably would have made more money...

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I think in the case of Open Water it was done to increase the chances of at least getting a DVD distribution deal. I actually think I read that somewhere.

Poke
 
I think Wayne Campbell summed it up succinctly enough, when he was quoted as saying,
"Schwing!!"

...and really, that's the crux of the issue.
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Originally Posted by clive

I think like all of these debates it's not about nudity right or wrong but about how it's used. If it tells you more about the character and moves the story forwards it's a good thing, if it's just getting some breasts into the film to push up your DVD sales, then it's another matter.

What if you go into it knowing that nudity will help you getting DVD distribution, but at the same time you only allow the kind of nudity/sex that moves the plot forward?

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I also think that from a directorial POV you have to have very clear ideas of why you are doing it and be completely honest and professional with your actors. If they sense any doubt in your ability to take care of them, it will look awful on screen.

Do you think it is wise to tell them, "Hey, do a nude scene so we can sell this thing." or do you mean let them know that you have their interest at heart as well as your own?

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However, saying that, I have a friend who wanted to put a sex scene into his dreadful horror film and only had two guys in that day, so he persuaded them that if they did the sex scene, he'd get a girl to do cut aways separately so it would look like a guy and a girl. Of course he had no intention of doing that and it remains the funniest four minute sex scene I've ever seen in my life.

That's hilarious. How pissed were the actors when they saw the final product of their "labors?"

Wow, some interesting questions here.

I try really hard not to build alter my stories to the perceived needs of distributors, so I'd never put a nude scene in just to clinch the deal. However, I do market research my films and make sure there is a market for them that will cover the costs before going into production. Meaning I'm more likely to greenlight a project where I can see easy sales. As it is, in the next three feature scripts I'm developing two have nudity and one doesn't. One only has 15 ratings nudity and the nude scene is actually playing a joke on the audience, in the second film there is a lot of nudity and explicit sex, but then it's a film about voyeurism, so it's central to the story. In my main project at the moment there's no nudity and no need for it.

I've always been completely honest with my actors, if I was at the point where I had to make a quick easy sale picture for direct to DVD, just for the money I'd tell my actors what we were doing and how nude scenes were going to get them a pay packet faster than one of my other projects. Honesty is the only way to go.

I don't know how the actors felt about it, I think they're still working with him, so they must have found it funny too.

The other debate here that interests me is the porn debate. It is a completely different debate from the nudity debate, in that it is almost a completely different industry. Directorik is right in that it is the most profitable form of video production in the world, with the the largest market. If money and mass distribution is your thing then porn is the best market to get into. Format is irrelevant, you can edit it on almost anything and still get sales, you can forget about production values and still make money. However, I think that once you enter that world it's incredibly difficult to get back into mainstream film production, for all kinds of reasons. I know that Ron Howard considered directing a porn film early in his career, but decided that he couldn't live with the press throwing it in his face for the rest of his life. I've spoken to a lot of directors who have considered using a porn shoot as a way of financing their other projects. I've always felt that those that went ahead and got into shooting porn did so because that's what they were really drawn too, not just for the money.

Where this debate is interesting for me is that one of my current projects is extremely sexually explicit. I know it's not porn because they'd be less plot and character development if it was, but there is a real issue about making films about sex within the mainstream industry. A good example of this would be Caligula, which was funded by Playboy but had some incredible acting in it. It's clearly a mainstream film, but the levels of sexual exploitation get very close to porn. The same could be true of films like Baise Moi and Bound.
 
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Wow.............Bound.


I remember the first time I saw Bound (and simultaneously the last). I came from a very sexually repressed all boys’ school, where if you wanted to save yourself you DID NOT have a shower after football. I am not even kidding. Nasty bullies - they ruined the late tackle from behind for me.
Anyway, point is that i think nudity does have a social function. When I was in secondary school the buzzword was 'lezza' or 'lesbo' - the local variants of lesbian. That was when I saw Bound. Before I had no idea what the hell 'lezzas' or 'lesbos' meant. That film saved me probably from that schools hotbed of sexual activity. Granted, afterwards I equated lesbians with crime, murder, money, blue-collar employment and hotels - but it was Bound that opened my eyes to a whole other side of life that I had not known about. Made me a more open person rather than a closed off one.
In primary school I remember when the buzz word was 'fellatio' and one time, a boy called me a name, and I stood up and in front of everyone shouted 'hey, you, if you don't leave me alone I’m going to fellate you!'. :blush:
Now, I'm not saying that they should show that kind of film to school children, but I think a lot of agro could have been saved on that wet and cold Thursday morning, if someone had just told me what it was before any of that happened. :( I think that nudity in films is part and parcel of that openness,
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Nique Zoolio said:
In primary school I remember when the buzz word was 'fellatio' and one time, a boy called me a name, and I stood up and in front of everyone shouted 'hey, you, if you don't leave me alone I’m going to fellate you!'. :blush:

Most guys I grew up with would have taken that as a threat and stopped messing with me.

Poke
 
To answer the porn question: I am against people having ACTUAL sex in front of a camera for pay. I mean, in what way is that not prtostitution? I think it is pretty much bad for the porn stars. Many of them get diseases and have deeply rooted emotional problems.

I'm not gonna lie. I've seen my share of porn and I did enjoy it (I don't any more), but that doesn't make it okay and that's my view.
 
How bout any Alex Payne movie?

We see a heavy set girl gettin' rammed by her huge husband and him running down the street naked (ahhh) but we don't see the incredibly attractive Virgina Madsen (who's been nude in plenty of films and had that reputation) and the sexy Sandra Oh is covered during her sex scene when all we see is Thomas Chruch's big butt (even though she did plenty of stripper stuff in "Dancing at the Blue Igana" (I think that was the name).

or how bout "About Schmidt". The very large Kathy Bates naked, but not Hope Davis.

Payne knows how to f**k w/ you and he loves it. It's also extremely shocking and it's very very funny.

Go Payne!

Go Poke for bringing it up. Anyone else.

Mike-B
Alter Ego Cinema
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I found it interesting because I have read more than one interview with Payne where he talks about making movies with dirty windshields, or making movies where things are more realistic. Take a look at all of the characters in all of his movies, none of them are typical Hollywood characters.

The use of nudity in this film was for comedic purposes, but based entirely in reality. These are the types of people that we never see represented in films, yet we all know one or two of them.

Poke
 
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