Newbie question about cameras

Hello

Here´s the deal:

I´m very new to this thing and have never done anything. I´m looking to do a short film, but right now i can´t spend more than 400-500$ on a camera.

My question is:

Is it possible to make a short film with a 400-500$ camera without it ended up screaming "amateurish"? I know that with 500$ i won´t be able to make an amazing looking film, but is it possible to achieve a decent result with it? I don´t wanna end up making something that looks like crap.

Sony PJ 5 PR

Sony HDR-CX115

Samsung HMX-H300

Sony HDR-CX200

Any of these cameras would do a decent work?
 
My question is:

Is it possible to make a short film with a 400-500$ camera without it ended up screaming "amateurish"? I know that with 500$ i won´t be able to make an amazing looking film, but is it possible to achieve a decent result with it?
Yes.

With some work and some experience you can actually make an
amazing looking movie with any of those cameras. If you just
point the camera and press "record" you will not be able to get
an amazing looking movie. So you will need to learn to use light.
That is the main difference between a movie that screams "amateurish"
and one that looks good.



Any of these cameras would do a decent work?
Yes.

The very difficult task you must face is learning to use the camera
and the lights (and sound!) well. Decent work is so much more than
the tool. Buy any of those cameras, buy some lights and learn to use
them well and you can make an amazing looking movie.

And don't forget the sound. Just as important as the picture quality.
In many ways good sound is MORE important than the picture quality.
Please do not expect the camera to do all the work. YOU need to do all
the work - the camera is just a tool.
 
Yes.

With some work and some experience you can actually make an
amazing looking movie with any of those cameras. If you just
point the camera and press "record" you will not be able to get
an amazing looking movie. So you will need to learn to use light.
That is the main difference between a movie that screams "amateurish"
and one that looks good.




Yes.

The very difficult task you must face is learning to use the camera
and the lights (and sound!) well. Decent work is so much more than
the tool. Buy any of those cameras, buy some lights and learn to use
them well and you can make an amazing looking movie.

And don't forget the sound. Just as important as the picture quality.
In many ways good sound is MORE important than the picture quality.
Please do not expect the camera to do all the work. YOU need to do all
the work - the camera is just a tool.


Hi

Thank you very much.

Can you suggest some good lights to buy?
 
Sure.

For the price it’s not bad. You will need an audio recorder and a
good mic. The audio on those DSLR cameras is unacceptable. It
will be a good starter camera.

Shoot four or five movies with it to learn the craft and meet
other people. I hope you post your first one here when it's finished.
 
Sure.

For the price it’s not bad. You will need an audio recorder and a
good mic. The audio on those DSLR cameras is unacceptable. It
will be a good starter camera.

Shoot four or five movies with it to learn the craft and meet
other people. I hope you post your first one here when it's finished.

It´s not a DSLR, i think. But its a very cheap camera. It´s mainly a camera for pictures, but it also shoots 720p video.
 
It's kinda difficult to figure what's a "practical camera" for using largely in Portugal, I'm guessing.
I just googled all of the cameras listed, only one or two had any of the normal search results I'm accustomed to seeing, so I'm guessing these are products offered locally/regionally that are not necessarily offered globally/U.S..
Correct?

What I'm getting at is that if you can buy literally ANY camera from ANYWHERE on the world then it doesn't matter and for the money you're looking to spend there are likely better options.
However, if you're limited to PAL or SECAM compatible products (maybe it doesn't matter, IDK) or something you want to buy at a physical store in Portugal then we can just deal with that search constraint and go from there with the provided list.

Overall, I don't think I saw too many manual controls on many of these cameras.
Manual focus is the greatest need.
Manual aperture and shutter speed next.
The sensor sizes were all pretty "chippy" small, but finding an about a 1/3" sensor is the goal at this price range.
However, I'm not real current on CMOS vs. Xmor CMOS chips, so... maybe someone else more tech-fluent than I can educate us on that.
Fourth thing you want to prioritize is finding a camera with a 1.8 max aperture, like the Sony HDR-CX200 has. (Probably my camera preference from the given list, although it records audio in mono rather than stereo, and has a tiny 3.1mm [paint]chip.)

None of these had microphone input jacks, which is kind of a mixed issue.
On the one hand cameras and videocameras typically don't record audio on board very well (fine, but not great), so it's best to buy some external audio gear to record off-camera better audio. But you can easily spend double or triple your given camera budget for that capability (which grinds against most people's logic).
But with an external mini-pin mic jack you theoretically "could" at least use a shotgun mic (typically a Rode VideoMic) and a length of cable to get the mic off the camera since the on-board/internal camera mic is only good for about 4 feet/1.5meters out before the audio starts to really sound bad.

I wouldn't get the Fuji FinePix S2950. No excuse to buy a camera for the next five years that can't even record up to 1080 resolution.
However, this really depends upon your computer's speed and capability.
If you're currently working on something three years or older (other than a Mac) maybe 720 resolution is about at what it can comfortably handle.
But if you're planning on upgrading in the next year or two to something with a i5 or i7 Intel processor (with all the RAM you can buy) then you might wanna buy a camera that can record 1080.


I dunno.

We could benefit from better understanding your usage, film product display, and purchasing limitations, assuming you actually are in Portugal most of the time.


Ray
 
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Is it possible to make a short film with a 400-500$ camera without it ended up screaming "amateurish"?

It's very EASY to make a short film with a $4,000-5000 (and up) camera and have it screaming "amateurish!" , too. Indeed, filmmakers do it all the time.

It's not the camera, its the story.

Moral: Develop your storytelling with whatever you have.
 
It's very EASY to make a short film with a $4,000-5000 (and up) camera and have it screaming "amateurish!" , too. Indeed, filmmakers do it all the time.
LOL! AAAAAAAAAAmen!

Consider the last few films where at the end you thought to yourself "What the [expletive of choice] was THAT?!"
Or the films you simply turned off twenty minutes into it.


And GA, I think you meant to say:
It's not the camera,
its the story.
;)
 
It´s not a DSLR, i think. But its a very cheap camera. It´s mainly a camera for pictures, but it also shoots 720p video.
That stands for Digital Single Lens Reflex. That means a camera,
mainly for still pictures that uses a single lens that you can see
through the lens and see exactly what will be captured - different
than the now obsolete "viewfinder" cameras. The FinePix S2950
is a DSLR - Digital Single Lens Reflex.

Ray has all the tech stuff down. If that's what you are looking for
he's an excellent source. I'm not so tech and numbers orientated
- I'm a storyteller. For now you do not need a camera with all the
best tech specs - you need something to begin the process of
becoming a filmmaker. That camera will help that process even if
it does not meet all the top technical specifications of more expensive
cameras.

Right now you want to make your very first short film and you don't
have much money to spend. Your first few movies will scream
"amateurish" - that's just the way it is. Even if you could afford a
top of the line Arri Alexa your first few movies will scream
"amateurish". But you MUST make your first few movies. So get
the camera you can afford, get the audio equipment you can afford,
get the lights you can afford and make those first few movies.

Or get the camera you can afford and make a few movies.
 
It's a fine camera. You will need an audio recorder and a good
mic. The audio on those DSLR cameras is unacceptable. It, too,
would be a good starter camera.
 
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