Newb Questions

Critique My First Film (and advise on gear)

I haven't had formal film school training, and have never worked in videography, but I have always wanted to try to tinker around with making my own low-budget films. I have recently lost my job and now I only work part time. I now have the opportunity to invest my extra time into part-time videography. If I cannot find someone willing to take me under their wing to let me work in their videography business, I am even considering investing in some equipment and taking the plunge on my own. If I could get by with only two cameras to start, maybe that would let me do smaller weddings and promotional videos, and things like that-- just to help pay for the cost of the equipment. If I went that route, what would I need to get started?

I wouldn't be filming any local news footage, any sports coverage, or anything like that to earn cash, just simple occasional standing talent and wedding-like events. Dabbling in bringing my own screenplays to life would involve much more action shots, tracking, and motion.

Is there any chance a TV commercial could be filmed with a simple 8-bit camera with a single 1/3-inch sensor and ultimately be good enough quality to air on local cable TV in the U.S.?

Here are some of the things I am currently debating:

1. Canon XF30x or Canon XF10x?

I am leaning toward the 100 series, just as a sheer cost factor, but am willing to be talked into making an investment in different equipment if you want to make the case for doing the 300 series instead.

Here's my thinking: I really, really want the optical zoom, superior lens, and triple CMOS of the Canon XF300/305, but right now I think my budget would be better allocated toward the smaller XF100/105 instead-- so I can invest in other equipment. (I currently have no mics, rigs, lights, matte box, editing software,... not even a quality tripod or head.) I could buy two Canon XF105s for the cost of one XF305 or two XF100s for the cost of one XF300. The XF305 costs $1200 more than the XF300, and the XF105 costs $700 more than the XF100. (Current online price check yeilds: Canon XF305 at $6,995.00; Canon XF105 at $3,495.00; Canon XF300 at $5,799.00; and Canon XF100 $2,809.00.) Twice the zoom is nice but not worth twice the price. Plus, I can use the XF100 as a family camcorder, whereas the 300 is way bigger.

2. Canon XF100 or XF105?

I have been browsing the Canons and heretofore haven't even looked at the XF105 or the XF305 because I didn't have sufficient computer hardware to make use of the HDSDI.

This might end up being a completely moot issue, if my current computer will not run any good video editing software anyway. If you can help me discern that I can't run the software without upgrading my old hardware, I could get a card to take advantage of the $700 HD-SDI output on the XF105. Maybe this is one of those cases such that, if I have to ask what it does, I don't need it. Nonetheless, I'm afraid if I do not ask I will never learn. So, what will I lose (what money-making opportunities will I miss) if I do not invest in the 105 and do not upgrade my computer to make use of a 1.485Gbps data rate?

3. Adobe Premiere Pro 5.5/6 or Sony Vegas Pro 11?

This one is really a question of whether I have to upgrade my computer or not. If the answer is yes in order to use either software option, I would probably rather have Premiere 5.5. Premiere is not that much more expensive than Sony Vegas 11, but I'm really concerned that Premiere would require me to beef up my computer system.

I have a 4yr old PC. It currently only has one PCX 512MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 9800 GT; 6GB DDR3-1333 (3x2048) memory; Creative Labs SoundBlaster® X-Fi™ XtremeAudio; and a 3-way SLI Motherboard EVGA X58 based chipset with PCI Express; and an Intel® Core™ i7 processor i7 Intel® Core™ i7 with quad 2.66GHz cores, 8MB Cache (4.8 GT/sec); but only one 500GB Hitachi 7200rpm 16MB Cache SATA 300w/NCQ; a built-in card reader and one 20x DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Burner; and Windows 7.

Would Premiere work on my machine at all? Or would it work, but just be very slow? I suspect that if I went with Premiere CS5.5 and didn't upgrade my video card, then it would tell me that it could not find one of the “certified“ video cards and would therefore set the Mercury Playback Engine to use only the computer’s CPU and not the video card’s GPU. Even if I hacked it to recognize my old card, it still only has 512MB and GPU Acceleration Mode requires at least 896 megs of video ram, right? I think that even the buggier CS5 required at least 756 MB.

Would I have to upgrade my cpu and graphics card even if I went the Vegas route? The Sony Vegas Pro website says their acceleration only requires at least 512 MB of GPU memory, but my computer is feeling sluggish now even when it is not doing video editing.

If I can't manage without upgrading my PC, which parts would I need to change or add to use Vegas comfortably? Which parts would I need to change or add to use Premiere comfortably? Would either of these answers make it more worth the expense to go ahead and choose the XF105 over the XF100? I assume I'd at least need another hard drive at the very minimum, but what else should I realistically expect to need?

If you were me, what gear would you get if you could invest $4,000.00?
 
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Oh, I'm not offended. In person I might get defensive if somebody throws me for a loop with blatant honesty, but the beauty of an online forum is that I can sit back and digest each comment to try to reframe my mindset.

Basically, our family needs a new camcorder (the Kodak pocketcam "zooms" in jolting jumps) and I didn't want to buy a $1000 camcorder and then kick myself for not getting a $3000 one that has a 4:2:2 codec when I had the chance.

I just got super excited when I thought my wife was willing to let me go goofy crazy with gear. But alas, she is sane, and now I must get back to reality. Difficult now that the flames of imagination have been fanned, however.
 
Wow.
First Im flattered that you took my challenge. Nobody ever listens to me so thats cool ;P
You have a stellar attitude, you will be smoking hot very quickly.

Critique, there were some pretty nice shots in there. You tried lots of ideas.


You told a story, I followed it. It was dull, so what! Man, most people spend months on this board talking about getting ready to make their first crappy film. YOU DID IT. CONGRATS ITS BEHIND YOU.

Not only that, some of your filming was in public. Man took me a month to work up the courage to leave my basement! Again, HATS OFF TO YOU!


You discovered for yourself that the camera is only part of the system, the most important part of the system is your eye and brain. You also know for yourself that you could do a lot better with the equipment and software you already have! I will not offer any more unsolicited advice, your a grown up and your not a fool.

Some basic ideas that I think about frequently

Rule OF thirds
Continuity style
the 180 degree rule.
Line of action
Eye lines
Cut on action
Cut on look

Right now, Im personally learning about wide deep focus epic shots ala the opening scenes of SuperMan the movie.. think Lawrence of Arabia


Books I like:
Directing, shot by shot
Master Shots
 
Some basic ideas that I think about frequently

Rule OF thirds
Continuity style
the 180 degree rule.
Line of action
Eye lines
Cut on action
Cut on look

Right now, Im personally learning about wide deep focus epic shots ala the opening scenes of SuperMan the movie.. think Lawrence of Arabia


Books I like:
Directing, shot by shot
Master Shots

I am definitely soliciting advice... from everyone here.

Thanks. I looked up all of those terms and concepts online and I
ordered Directing Shot by Shot. I learned that my local public library has a copy of the following as well:

Making Movies by Sidney Lumet

The Complete Film Production handbook by Eve Light Honthaner

The Reel Truth : everything you didn't know you need to know about making an independent film

and

Master Shots : 100 advanced camera techniques to get an expensive look on your low-budget movie / Christopher Kenworthy.*


What other books, websites, DVDs, magazines, or resources should I consult?
 
I can help you quite a bit with editing software. Your computer should be able to handle both of them, mine did and the specs are pretty similar.

What are your main purposes of using video editing software?

CC/Editing/Audio Work/Effects or just plain editing?

I've worked 10x more with Vegas than I have with Premier but I can say that Vegas is fantastic and can handle a lot of things. It's not the industry standard but if your doing basic editing/audio work then it won't fail you. Also, don't ever use any of them programs for visual effects of any kind. Invest in After Effects or another compositing program.

Now I am a bit concerned. While I was working in windows movie maker live, every 5-10minutes large sections of shots would be inaacessible for viewing. This happened both when the footage was stored on the computer and when I was just pulling it stright from the SD card. Is this a litation if the software or my hardware? When I wouldbsave, close, and restart the program it woukd be fine. Near the end, it got more frequuent and the res of the footage was only WVGA quality.
 
What're the specs on the computer you're editing with?
- chip speed or model number?
- what's the hard drive speed?
- how much RAM you playing with?

Those three alone will identify how much your computer is being bogged down with the image-data volume that may be bogging it down.
Not to mention the simple age of the computer and volume of spyware that could also be handicapping it.
 
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I have a 4yr old PC. It currently only has one PCX 512MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 9800 GT; 6GB DDR3-1333 (3x2048) memory; Creative Labs SoundBlaster® X-Fi™ XtremeAudio; and a 3-way SLI Motherboard EVGA X58 based chipset with PCI Express; and an Intel® Core™ i7 processor i7 Intel® Core™ i7 with quad 2.66GHz cores, 8MB Cache (4.8 GT/sec); but only one 500GB Hitachi 7200rpm 16MB Cache SATA 300w/NCQ; a built-in card reader and one 20x DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Burner; and Windows 7.

Would Premiere work on my machine at all? Or would it work, but just be very slow? I suspect that if I went with Premiere CS5.5 and didn't upgrade my video card, then it would tell me that it could not find one of the “certified“ video cards and would therefore set the Mercury Playback Engine to use only the computer’s CPU and not the video card’s GPU. Even if I hacked it to recognize my old card, it still only has 512MB and GPU Acceleration Mode requires at least 896 megs of video ram, right? I think that even the buggier CS5 required at least 756 MB.

Would I have to upgrade my cpu and graphics card even if I went the Vegas route? The Sony Vegas Pro website says their acceleration only requires at least 512 MB of GPU memory, but my computer is feeling sluggish now even when it is not doing video editing.

If I can't manage without upgrading my PC, which parts would I need to change or add to use Vegas comfortably? Which parts would I need to change or add to use Premiere comfortably? Would either of these answers make it more worth the expense to go ahead and choose the XF105 over the XF100? I assume I'd at least need another hard drive at the very minimum, but what else should I realistically expect to need?

If you were me, what gear would you get if you could invest $4,000.00?

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Nah, you're 'puter's specs are fine.
You should be able to run 1080 rez through that just fine.
Just make sure you save your files from the SD card to the hard drive and work offa the hard drive, never from the card.

IDK WTH's up with the inaccessible moments you're experiencing. :huh:
Sorry.
 
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