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Indie film business is dead then fried chicken

Spatula i never have problems with long posts :D.. anyways bigger the post bigger issue with me due to language problem anywas as you said


The major US motion picture studios lost in 2005 to piracy: $6.1 Billion
The Worldwide motion picture industry: $18.2 Billion
Percentage from "Internet Piracy" (downloading): 38%

So only 1.3 Billion total for web downloading, in the US.

SO it mean piracy in US is little then in other countries.

As you said

Piracy Highest in: China

(90% of their film market)
Reason given: Lack of accessibility.. (elaborated below)

So by availability you mean availability in Cinemas is less that why they do piracy?

As you said

So it looks like the countries with the highest percentage of their market engaging in piracy are markets with lower dollar potential... and maybe they pirate because the capitalist-driven film INDUSTRY is completely ignoring or side-stepping these markets while chasing the bigger dollars elsewhere?

What do you exactly mean by lower dollar potential and what do you mean by the words chasing the bigger dollars elsewhere?
can you explain it a little more?

On the other hand as you said you are planning to upload your film fre on youtube why free? i eman your content will be good so why dont you make a website from where people can download your movie for 5 or 6 or 7 US dollars?? why free? and what benefit wil lyou get to make a movie and then just upload it for free? i mean whats the logic behind it???

By the way i think your should be given a PH.d Degree in researching the topic of piracy

I loved the post

Regards
 
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So by availability you mean availability in Cinemas is less that why they do piracy?

I'm saying there are a variety of reasons for piracy, but that the main one is lack of availability.

There still are those who pirate simply because they do not see the value in paying full price (or a price). There are those who abuse piracy and create DVD libraries... And also, some people aren't exposed to any advertising and don't find out about some films until they see a copy that's floating around.

Accessibility factors into the internet especially because if these movies were available on studio sites for free with ads or for minimal prices (up to $5) I would probably go there instead of finding low-quality versions in pirate channels.

But I'm also only 38% of a world market- the other 62% of which I think accessibility is a major factor in foreign countries with low profit-potential. If you were to keep breaking the percentages down based on "reasons" for piracy, I think you would find that the biggest players are: 1) getting your hands on the product 2) seeing value for the asked expenses (even DVDs can be pricey).

The film industry can't expect every single person to buy every single movie every single time, but their obsession with owning the whole market is only delaying the next step in distribution technology.

What do you exactly mean by lower dollar potential and what do you mean by the words chasing the bigger dollars elsewhere?
can you explain it a little more?

As in, the study shows that those markets don't have big dollar potential. So in say, Thailand, it has the least dollars lost on the graph. But in the "potential market" they have the third highest loss. That means that the studios won't focus on marketing and distributing their movies there because they'd rather focus on Mexico or the UK where there is more dollar potential. So piracy becomes the primary way to get new content in those countries.

On the other hand as you said you are planning to upload your film fre on youtube why free? i eman your content will be good so why dont you make a website from where people can download your movie for 5 or 6 or 7 US dollars?? why free? and what benefit wil lyou get to make a movie and then just upload it for free? i mean whats the logic behind it???

By the way i think your should be given a PH.d Degree in researching the topic of piracy

I loved the post

Thanks mate. Plan to upload it for free, because it'll allow more people to see it and build future value into the next projects. Youtube at least offers the best exposure. I tried going with another service that would split ad revenue, but they haven't launched yet and I just want to get this done and online so I can finally move on and stop all the demands for a product I can't really supply.

If the film goes on Youtube it has the greatest chance of getting seen by the most people. So I'm trading in potential revenue for free marketing, and in the end, if I get any future DVD sales because of it, it might actually be MORE effective than spending money printing DVDs and shipping them around willy-nilly. Plus, think of all the children out there, the beautiful children, who can't see Macbeth 3000? I think of them all the time. :hmm::hmm:
 
No problem there, buddy.

And just one last point (before I shut my yam-hole) to bring this back on topic...

The original rant linked here about how indie filmmaking is dead...

Piracy is an over-exaggerated excuse cooked up by the billionaires. Downloading bootlegged films makes up such a small percentage of the market that really only hits the "big" flicks with heavy marketing budgets. If you see it my way, the main cause of the bulk of piracy is availability of product or content that isn't marketed or has no intrinsic value based on that availability in certain demographics. The main offenders are college kids who would rather spend money on beer. A National Prohibition of Alcohol would likely do more for box office revenues than any sort of copy protection. Or lowering outlandish consumer prices with huge mark-ups that only end up paying for A-list actors who have no artistic credibility anyway.


As for indie films, the struggles and challenges remain the same as they always did... 99% of indie movies just plainly suck ass. Yes, that includes both yours and mine. Face reality with an iron grin and suck it up. Don't blame the pirates. Don't blame the economy. Don't blame Google. Certainly don't blame me.

We don't have the resources or the technology to complete with slickly produced Studio-fare, we don't have the names to bring brand recognition to our products, and most often don't have the right monetized distribution methods to even get our products out there into the hands of our target markets...

Blah blah blah.

So figure out something else. If you can't get your film into Sundance or whatever other film festival, find a way to put it out there yourself. Make short promos advertising your video that are styled to be viral... send out emails and post on internet forums. Go grassroots and hope your movie is relevant enough for people to "pass it on". Figure something ELSE out. That's where we need creative PRODUCERS to step up and start working on Distribution v2.0 and DIRECTORS to beef up the writing and production of their films... since technology is catching up, there's less and less excuses available. Oh but for the insolence of office, the laws delay, the pangs of despised love.... soft now, foo'.... don't loose the name of ACTION!!!

Sure, we'll have to deal with an increase in competition from every backyard filmmaker out there, but the market is growing too! Now, the films made for the markets in Pakistan can reach ex-pat communities abroad, making sales that would have been impossible 20 years ago easy as a click of a mouse. Bear those whips and scorns of time!

In that article, the guy is ranting about how "guns and boobies" sci fi directors can't find distribution, or a documentary on "free software" ends up not making a profit (irony), a producer only makes $10k on DVDs that only sell 5000 copies (so the film probably wasn't that great), and such other nonsense.
Hasn't it always BEEN that way?
And then he talks about making a short for 20k!!!
Is this guy NUTS? Of course guns and boobies aren't gonna bring in the millions! Of course a documentary about free stuff is gonna become free! Of course if you sell 5000 copies on DVD you aren't gonna get rich! And a short for 20K won't make a profit! Aren't these no-brainers?

HA! I haven't spent over $100 on a short EVER. Granted, I'm a no-budget filmmaker and haven't made a profit, but all the time I've spent building up content and contacts will pay off eventually... you just can't expect to leap into the market like a shining meteor and start soaking up money, people! The next "big short" I'm gonna make I WILL have to sink some dough into, but until I've got a fucking POLISHED script done, I won't lift a finger. So work on your scripts, nail your casting and shoot as best as you can with the budget you have. Don't expect to make a profit, and don't worry about pirates. Get your content out there, get your face/brand known and then build up slowly. If you get lucky, some billionaire may come in and speed up the process, but why would anyone throw money at you until you're worth it anyway?

This is the catch 22 of the whole industry. You can't get a role until you've had a role. You can't get into the union until you have credits that the union accepts. You can't become a director until you've directed. The whole thing works on a combination of risk, talent and luck.

And while you may not be able to create that inherent "value" until someone sees your ad/mugshot on TV or in newspapers (requiring major funding/major crimes), you have to focus on accessibility (AKA, getting "out there")... and for that, I would actually say that Pirate channels offer a great boost in the absence of anything better.

So that's it for me in this thread, hopefully Indietalk won't put a word count on my future postings. :P
 
Spatula what is Distribution v2.0 which you mentioned above?

By the way your words were too motivated... specially the small things you said like creating a buzz on different film forums etc will help out.....

infact i read an article and i will place few things here soon

Regards
 
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Spatula what is Distribution v2.0 which you mentioned above?

As in direct-to-consumer web based, p2p networks, streaming HD, TV-Internet Hybrids... new technology that lowers the cost of delivering your product to the consumer.

Shit like Netflix and Tivo kinda count.
 
Well if this is the case Spatula then it means its great..........we can reach to internet audience ourself........
 
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