Independence Day was weak in story

nobudgetfilmmaker said:
Yeah there were some things that were hard to believe in Independence Day such as the "virus" they used. But isn't it also far fetched that Luke Skywalker can shoot two torpedos HORIZONTALLY and have them do an accurate dive into a small hole and make it all the way to the reactor of the Death Star in time to blow it up and save the rebel base?
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I guess that means the modestly inebriated pickled brain of a PTSD crop duster actually couldn't pilot a modern fighter jet with any semblance of proficiency?

D@mn.

You just pulled me right outta the story with that realization.

"Someone?! Please! Blow something up! Fast! Preferably with green sh!t"!
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nobudgetfilmmaker said:
Yeah there were some things that were hard to believe in Independence Day such as the "virus" they used. But isn't it also far fetched that Luke Skywalker can shoot two torpedos HORIZONTALLY and have them do an accurate dive into a small hole and make it all the way to the reactor of the Death Star in time to blow it up and save the rebel base?
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To quote:
Dante Hicks: The Force?
Randal Graves: Man, that's your answer for everything.
(from the far-too-short animated series)
 
On the subject of incredible new technology, this one is pretty mind-blowing. Think of the applications!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA
 
I understand somewhere there's a rather large museum of useless U.S. patents of thousands of cool displays of stuff with no practical commercial application.
I've looked several times but have yet to find it online. Saw it on a news program a couple decades ago.

Maybe... there WAS a museum.
It just ran out of funding because itself had no practical commercial application! :lol:

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rayw said:
Maybe... there WAS a museum.
It just ran out of funding because itself had no practical commercial application! :lol:
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Oh, you kid... :-) Seriously, though, that museum sounds pretty awesome. And the great thing about science is you don't have to WORRY about the commercial application. Take the story of Graphene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphine). A couple scientists stuck a piece of tape to a pencil, and peeled off a layer (as many of us have done). However, they took the time to study the results. Won a Nobel prize. And THEN people started coming up with ideas. Check out the section on Integrated Circuits. This stuff will change computers in 15-20 years.

Hooray for science geekery!
 
did tyou guys hear about the electricity generators in london in some new mall. Its a bunch of small squares that depress when you step on them and they save the kinetic energy and convert it into electrical. The energy can be stored up to three days before it loses its charge.
 
Wow, those generators sound awesome, CHamburger! Any idea how much they output? Obviously it depends on traffic, but a mall should get a decent amount. Similarly potentially awesome is the Energy Catalyzer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer)....if it isn't a scam. I looks like a scam. It quacks like a scam. We'll find out for sure once the first plant in Italy fires up at the end of the month.

Hard to top the advances in the 20th century, but so far, 21 seems pretty exciting too!
 
It's not news that you can use Independence Day to teach a class about plot holes. Every 'movie buff' and their mother has picked it apart to death. The folks over at Cracked.com love bringing it up as much as Bill Maher loves to still make Bill Clinton blowob jokes ;)

http://www.cracked.com/funny-6049-15-things-about-independence-day-that-dont-settle-well-with-me/
http://www.cracked.com/article_15229_5-things-hollywood-thinks-computers-can-do.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_18720_7-famous-movie-flaws-that-were-explained-in-deleted-scenes.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_17307_four-movie-presidents-who-would-never-get-reelected_p2.html
http://www.cracked.com/funny-3044-roland-emmerich/
http://www.cracked.com/funny-440-aliens/l/

It's fun to pick things apart sometimes. And Independence Day makes for an easy target. Personally, though, I love the movie. I don't know why. I know it's bad and I love watching it. Plus, in the movie's defense, it's got Data playing a mad hippy scientist. You can't really go wrong there.
 
The reason the film works, despite its flaws, is that you care about the characters and what happens to them. As has been repeated thousands of times, films are about people. That is why a visually flawed film that has a solid characters, solid acting and understandable dialog (you won't care about them if you can't understand what they're saying) will do well.
 
You guys do realize that what is public knowledge is a good 50 years behind what is available as top secret technology for the military?

Cloning and AI is a good 50 years ahead of what is being let on in the news.

You can even find youtube documentaries about such stuff. But, the videos do tend to get yanked off of youtube not long after they are uploaded.
 
5-15 years maaayybbee... If it was 50 years, that means they would have had stealth jet aircraft and gps guided cruise missiles in WW2 and a nuke in the Spanish American War.

In the 90's when 3D graphics cards were being made all the ones here had stamped "not for export" and "US use only" because they weren't far from what the military had and they didn't want other countries running decent simulators haha.

Can't buy 50 years though. Especially in the Internet age and wiki leaks, etc.
 
I saw one such video the government or military most likely yanked where they have real-life AI Terminators and the mechanical insects you can see in the GI Joe movie and the Military is wrestling with the moral issue of giving an AI machine the license to kill Humans.

50 years is true. You can see clips on AL from Japanese research where their AI is behind the US Military and they have robots that recognize facial expressions and changes in voices tones as changes in moods. The Military has firewalls for the Internet and take stuff shown on War Games as a threat they must prevent from happening.
 
SinEater said:
Completely different situations. The issue isn't the fact that it's a virus, it's the fact that it was written for a completely alien technology that Jeff Goldblum had no knowledge of. The idea that a Pismo PowerBook would even be able to interface is bad enough, but then Goldblum being able to instantly come up with a virus for the alien system is not even remotely realistic.
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I agree. I know it was a nod to War of the Worlds. I haven't seen the original but saw the remake. The ID4 plot was better though, cause at least the virus was worked into the plot, rather than the aliens just catching it and dying at random. I mean would say Die Hard, be just as good if Hans randomly had a heart attack at the end and died, rather than having to be dealt with more problematically?
 
I'd believe an alien virus in the atmosphere any day over a primitive cililization coming up with a computer virus to kill off the machine of an advanced civilization.

That worked in Superman Meets The Mole Men where the difference in bio-chemistry between Humans and the Mole Men was fatal to Humans when they came into physical contact with Humans.
 
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