Getting better audio from zoom whithout rode VM...

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dr stilly

I'm noticing that the audio is clearer so I'm actually considering booming my zoom next time rather than my rode VM connected to a zoom.

any expreince of doing this...pro's and con's...??
 
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The zoom has mics of its own. That is what he is talking about. You can put it on a boom pole instead of a mic.

Here is a link to a similar discussion on the H4n versus Rode direct in to the connon 7d.

http://vimeo.com/groups/eos7d/forumthread:11738

I found this video on the H2n on boom pole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCn28Ke1tm0

or you could mount the zoom to the pole and also have a mic on the end of the pole like the Rode. See video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGUIy6awA1w

Here is another interesting thing for the zoom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBwqmjr-y5U
 
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Zoom is an electronics brand. Saying "zoom" doesn't tell me anything about what he has. By the post I'd assume it's a zoom audio recorder, but they have four handheld models and 3 multitrack recorders. It's like asking a question about a specific camera but only saying "It's a Sony".
 
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SinEater said:
Zoom is an electronics brand. Saying "zoom" doesn't tell me anything about what he has. By the post I'd assume it's a zoom audio recorder, but they have four handheld models and 3 multitrack recorders. It's like asking a question about a specific camera but only saying "It's a Sony".
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Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I believe most people have the H4N or H2N and I do think you can mount both to a boom pole and use them as the mic as he is talking.
 
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I'd suggest against using it. It has two microphones which record in stereo; dialogue should ideally be recorded in mono. Editing stereo dialogue would be a headache in post. You could say you'll only use one channel, but actually properly aiming that single mic on the device would be quite a challenge when it's on a boom pole.
 
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SinEater said:
I'd suggest against using it. It has two microphones which record in stereo; dialogue should ideally be recorded in mono. Editing stereo dialogue would be a headache in post. You could say you'll only use one channel, but actually properly aiming that single mic on the device would be quite a challenge when it's on a boom pole.
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I'm curious as I have the same recorder. So the Zoom h1 is bad for dialogue? How about a mic hooked into the H! and record dialogue that way? Any difference? Sorry to kidnap your thread.
 
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SinEater said:
I'd suggest against using it. It has two microphones which record in stereo; dialogue should ideally be recorded in mono. Editing stereo dialogue would be a headache in post. You could say you'll only use one channel, but actually properly aiming that single mic on the device would be quite a challenge when it's on a boom pole.
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oh gosh, i have to agree, the dialogue i have now is stereo... why mono?? :huh:
 
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99% of the mics available are mono; stereo mics are for consumers or highly specialized units for professional purposes. The Rode VideoMic does not record in stereo, it sends its mono signal to both channels. If it came out stereo perhaps you have the Stereo VideoMic, which is an expensive consumer toy; not recommended for serious filmmaking.

I would say that the reason you don't like the sound of the Rode VM (if it was the mono version) is that it was not aimed properly; booming correctly takes a lot of skill. (Were you even booming?) The sound of the H1 may be good on your laptop or computer speakers, but get it into a proper listening environment and you will hear the multitude of flaws that are actually present - combing, phasing, "wandering" and the like.
 
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Here's an argument for a QUALITY stereo mic. You still record your dialogue in mono, but having this on set recording all the other sounds in stereo helps bring the picture to life, easier than doing it all in post for those who aren't audio pro's.

http://vimeo.com/27071919

Mitra 3D Mic Pro

Again, we're talking quality tools here. Any zoom recorder won't pull this off with built in equipment.
 
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Alcove Audio said:
99% of the mics available are mono; stereo mics are for consumers or highly specialized units for professional purposes. The Rode VideoMic does not record in stereo, it sends its mono signal to both channels. If it came out stereo perhaps you have the Stereo VideoMic, which is an expensive consumer toy; not recommended for serious filmmaking.

I would say that the reason you don't like the sound of the Rode VM (if it was the mono version) is that it was not aimed properly; booming correctly takes a lot of skill. (Were you even booming?) The sound of the H1 may be good on your laptop or computer speakers, but get it into a proper listening environment and you will hear the multitude of flaws that are actually present - combing, phasing, "wandering" and the like.
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i got this one.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rode-ROD-VI...9SOC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1316962146&sr=8-1

you're right about the booming, it was on a boom but unfortunatly the sound guy was a bit drunk...:hmm:
 
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I posted this in another post..
{I am really liking the Audio-Technica PRO 24-CM $63.18 + $6.99 shipping amazon
http://youtu.be/7NsLK3dIxTg
http://youtu.be/A3KOtv69gA4
but im also interested in the Tascam DR-05 Solid State Recorder $81.57 amazon
I like all the options the ssr gives esp if i can add a shotgun mic to it }

But im running into issues with quality of the base im hearning in the youtube reviews and tests..all the shotgun mics sound way to high piched for me...i know i can correct this in editing a little but i only can afford something like adobe elements (i havent bought it yet) so im not sure how much controll ill have over audio.

Another issue is i am more interested in narritive film with more than one actor with action and what not..so im seeing issues with the shotgun mics handeling that...

A 3rd issue is im on a strict budget....
any sujestions?
 
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Psychosis Media said:
Another issue is i am more interested in narritive film with more than one actor with action and what not..so im seeing issues with the shotgun mics handeling that... A 3rd issue is im on a strict budget.... any sujestions?
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I'm not trying to be rude, but you have to do it the right way. If you want to use cheap gear, that's fine, but you get cheap sound. If you don't hire an experienced boom-op, of course you're going to have problems. Once you've captured good sound an experienced dialog editor can assemble the right pieces, and an experienced rerecording mixer can make it sound great.

Most of the issues you've presented can be solved with quality gear and experienced sound personnel.
 
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Alcove Audio said:
I'm not trying to be rude, but you have to do it the right way. If you want to use cheap gear, that's fine, but you get cheap sound. If you don't hire an experienced boom-op, of course you're going to have problems. Once you've captured good sound an experienced dialog editor can assemble the right pieces, and an experienced rerecording mixer can make it sound great.

Most of the issues you've presented can be solved with quality gear and experienced sound personnel.
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tru!
but also im still at the verry begining stages of film making....i need to learn the craft, while on a student budget..but yeah eventually ill want a person who is experienced in sound and sound editing. Even the equipment is entery lvl..right now the T3i is a perfect fit for me but ill know ill out grow it fast once i get better. Once ill get better ill want more quality equipment and crew to hire.

So i guess i should of posted the question this way...
What sound equipment should i consider to learn on for a student or novice filmmaker. Something that will give me options and decent quality with out breaking the bank. Knowing i will have to do my own sound editing to make it better.
 
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