Deathworld: List your Equipment

[Nate North]

Gawd! Quit being so defensive. You are so thinned skinned. You can't expect to get a round of applause on an internet forum. I like you Nate. You think big. The guy that annoys me is that Flicker dude and how he runs around he touting his connections to Bernie Lawson etc. What a F'ing poser.

Ok, ok,

Dude, you realize that bernie lawson is just flicker dressed up in a costume right? (I literally can't stop laughing)

Sorry I got irritated there, I'm stressing out because I'm short on money for some business paperwork. I shouldn't get all PO over nothing. Please accept my apology.

 

[trueindie]

Ok, ok,

Dude, you realize that bernie lawson is just flicker dressed up in a costume right? (I literally can't stop laughing)

Sorry I got irritated there, I'm stressing out because I'm short on money for some business paperwork. I shouldn't get all PO over nothing. Please accept my apology.

Stop besmirching the name of Bernie Lawson. He is the one and only. Even Hollywood can't get him. We should be so lucky to be in The Lawson's presence.

 

[Cracker Funk]

I'm still bringing the trident.

 

[brianluce]

Stop besmirching the name of Bernie Lawson. He is the one and only. Even Hollywood can't get him. We should be so lucky to be in The Lawson's presence.

Oh I get it, you're sucking up to Bernie in hope of luring him over to work on Deathworld. If you want Bernie, no need for games, just wave a wad of cash around and he'll appear, magically. That's all he cares about. Money. I have zero respect for the guy. I'm an artist.

 

[Nate North]

I'm still bringing the trident.

From what I know of Los Banos, we'll need it.

Check out the cities statistics online. Welcome to the wild wild west.

 

[Nate North]

Oh I get it, you're sucking up to Bernie in hope of luring him over to work on Deathworld. If you want Bernie, no need for games, just wave a wad of cash around and he'll appear, magically. That's all he cares about. Money. I have zero respect for the guy. I'm an artist.

You nailed it. Trueindie and I are playing a carefully choreographed plan of good cop bad cop to try and lure in bernie. I'm planning on printing up a briefcase full of fake 100 dollar bills, putting it on the hood of the landlords lambo, and waiting in some nearby shrubbery, ready to spring when the goateed one eventually pops up.

 

[Kholi]

To Nick, Kholi, and Brian. Honestly, I think you just don't like me.

What...?

It seems disingenuous to posture as defenders of the people and overseers of the forum when you're just angry at one person because you don't agree with their methods or verbiage.

If you find a post in any of your Deathworld specific threads where I rally to defend the people, please link that here. To be dead honest, if one person or another can't see the stove's on high by the burning red eye... then, they need to be burned so that they learn to keep their hands off.

It's not my job to protect any other filmmaker. But...

For others, I hope that you can learn from these posts, or contribute, or maybe even join us. That's why these posts are here on the world's largest indie film forum. It wouldn't be a very transparent project if I was only dispersing information in my room.

If you actually did post this on the largest film and indie-centric forums in the world--and I think you already recognize this--you'd have more than a handful to "defend" yourself against. And, comments like these...

Scoopicman (a good filmmaker that I have nothing but respect for) posted on another of these threads that what we were saying was against everything these forums were about. I strongly disagree with that. I think that the indie film community has lost sight of it's original goal.

Tell me that you either view IndieTalk as the end all of a vast niche or you really aren't paying attention, or have little-to-no stake, in the whole independent and micro/nano/no-budget community at all.

Scoopicman wasn't wrong in his assessment, and neither was Rik in response to the way you passively backhand the entire forum for not following your rite unquestioned. Example...

This is a pretty easy fix. There is a function available on this board called "Ignore poster", if you have no interest in these particular threads, it's easy enough to just have them dissapear forever. Then you can can find your way to important threads like "Question: how important is it to take off your lens cap" without obstruction.

So...

Really, I think your responses have been less than kind in that light. Notice that I didn't act like I was protecting others when I said that, I'm talking directly to you.

Initially, I wasn't going to respond to this... but... you're talking directly to me, so I'm responding directly to you... it's only fair. I do invite you to find any unkind posts in Deathworld specific threads directed toward you or your effort...and, when you find them, link them.

I have, in the past, outright told you that having an EPIC won't do anything but gather the interests of people who think gear and tools will somehow move you to where the money roosts, success with it. That isn't Deathworld specific...

That's a working reality, despite who wants to accept it and who does not.

On the flipside, you would probably find a flurry of applicants ready to beat down your door if you had something up that represents original, narrative material exemplifying what you can accomplish with what you already had.

With Joseph's (Cracker's) feature film ANTI-HERO in the mix, at least you'll have a product that illustrates what one of you can do with very limited funds and with much less than what you've amassed currently.

Anyway... In regards to "Deathworld"-esque ventures...

Honestly, I thought Kholi or Brian might join, so maybe part of it is just disappointment that we won't be able to work with these talented people.

I've been there, done that, and gone through the recovery period already. And, while I would not recommend this path to anyone that I know as a friend or colleague, personally... do what you must.

Thanks for the invite, and of course I hope it goes well for you guys.

 

[brianluce]

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Honestly, I thought Kholi or Brian might join, so maybe part of it is just disappointment that we won't be able to work with these talented people.

I missed this, hey thanks but I have two small kids, kumon, football, piano lessons, chorus, guitar, PTA functions and bills bills bills. I drive a mini van. Literally.

Besides, the fact your flirting with Bernie Lawson is a big turnoff.

 

[DeJager]

Even though I'm not a part of the Deathworld project, I do enjoy reading all the threads about it. It's an ambitious project and involves many indie filmmakers. I dig the fact that you are not complacent with your current situation as a filmmaker. That's how people become better. That's how great films are made.

On a side note, did you hear that RED is announcing the Scarlet on November 3rd? I best get in line

 

[bird]

On a side note, did you hear that RED is announcing the Scarlet on November 3rd? I best get in line

I'm waiting for the Periwinkle.

 

[Cracker Funk]

Okay, so I was at work earlier, and thus unable to type anything of significance, but I did want to comment on this back-and-forth.

On the subject of whether or not this conversation belongs in a private email, or our own website, or whatever, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that some of this might be intended as promo, sort of. It is true, after all, that we're wanting one or two more people in the house. Perhaps someone who might be interested might want to know about the fact that we will be staging some massive Xbox tournaments.

Oh, and it's worth mentioning that there is a strong rumor circulating that the-one-and-only Bernie Lawson will be making a personal visit to the Death House (that's what I'm calling it, from now on, cuz it's catchy).

That being said, I can see how it might be mildly annoying to see so many different threads popping up. It might have the same effect of a "Question about _______" thread, or when all those people on Facebook keep commenting about the Dallas Cowboys.

So, that being the case, maybe it might be better to have one Deathworld thread, for all Deathworld-related topics? The obvious down-side is that they would no longer be neatly categorized, but the obvious upside is that silly little arguments like the one that just transpired would be less likely. Also, there might be some cross-over between conversations, so maybe one central conversation would be more prudent? Kind of like the production diaries that Nick and PTP have been doing? Truthfully, it doesn't matter to me, one bit, but maybe that'd be a good diplomatic solution.

Kholi -- I'm a big boy, and sometimes I like playing with fire. Also, I'm well aware that this project could end up being a massive failure, but I'm optimistic about it, and I don't think anyone has been there, or done that. It all really hinges upon whether or not Nate is able to secure funding for phase 1 of the Deathworld project. If he's able to do that, then this will be a pretty big thing we're doing. If the funding doesn't come through, then we're just a bunch of dudes scrambling for survival money. Personally, I'm willing to take that risk, because even in the worst-case-scenario, I've forged new relationships with people whom I'll probably want to continue working with.

Nate -- Los Banos is farm country. I'm pretty sure my vicious guard dogs will keep us safe.

P.S. Go Seahawks!

 

[Kholi]

Kholi -- I'm a big boy, and sometimes I like playing with fire. Also, I'm well aware that this project could end up being a massive failure, but I'm optimistic about it, and I don't think anyone has been there, or done that. It all really hinges upon whether or not Nate is able to secure funding for phase 1 of the Deathworld project. If he's able to do that, then this will be a pretty big thing we're doing. If the funding doesn't come through, then we're just a bunch of dudes scrambling for survival money. Personally, I'm willing to take that risk, because even in the worst-case-scenario, I've forged new relationships with people whom I'll probably want to continue working with.

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I wasn't speaking about any one person. It was a general statement.

Also... Not sure if I read your statement incorrectly... I specifically said I've been there and done that. And, yeah, I have and this isn't ANYTHING new, what's being done. However, it generally always ends up the same way.

I have been there, I have experienced the exact same thing.
The rest I'm not commenting on, that's all your personal story and everyone needs one. Again, as always, I hope it works out for you all.

 

[Cracker Funk]

I wasn't speaking about any one person. It was a general statement.

I know. But I can only speak for myself, not everyone in general. Just thought I'd respond to the "red hot burner" comment.

Thanks for the well-wishes. Cheers!

 

[Dreadylocks]

I'm waiting for the Periwinkle.

 

[Nate North]

Okay, so I was at work earlier, and thus unable to type anything of significance, but I did want to comment on this back-and-forth.

On the subject of whether or not this conversation belongs in a private email, or our own website, or whatever, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that some of this might be intended as promo, sort of. It is true, after all, that we're wanting one or two more people in the house. Perhaps someone who might be interested might want to know about the fact that we will be staging some massive Xbox tournaments.

Oh, and it's worth mentioning that there is a strong rumor circulating that the-one-and-only Bernie Lawson will be making a personal visit to the Death House (that's what I'm calling it, from now on, cuz it's catchy).

That being said, I can see how it might be mildly annoying to see so many different threads popping up. It might have the same effect of a "Question about _______" thread, or when all those people on Facebook keep commenting about the Dallas Cowboys.

So, that being the case, maybe it might be better to have one Deathworld thread, for all Deathworld-related topics? The obvious down-side is that they would no longer be neatly categorized, but the obvious upside is that silly little arguments like the one that just transpired would be less likely. Also, there might be some cross-over between conversations, so maybe one central conversation would be more prudent? Kind of like the production diaries that Nick and PTP have been doing? Truthfully, it doesn't matter to me, one bit, but maybe that'd be a good diplomatic solution.

Kholi -- I'm a big boy, and sometimes I like playing with fire. Also, I'm well aware that this project could end up being a massive failure, but I'm optimistic about it, and I don't think anyone has been there, or done that. It all really hinges upon whether or not Nate is able to secure funding for phase 1 of the Deathworld project. If he's able to do that, then this will be a pretty big thing we're doing. If the funding doesn't come through, then we're just a bunch of dudes scrambling for survival money. Personally, I'm willing to take that risk, because even in the worst-case-scenario, I've forged new relationships with people whom I'll probably want to continue working with.

Nate -- Los Banos is farm country. I'm pretty sure my vicious guard dogs will keep us safe.

P.S. Go Seahawks!

About the different threads, I've got several reasons for doing what I'm doing here, but mainly I'm trying to keep them seperated into topics to make it easier to reference them. These threads have been a little more popular than I expected, and many have 50-75 responses on them. It would be very difficult for me to go back and read what someone has written about a specific topic if it was one thread with 650 posts.

About playing with fire. It's all relative. Lets say your trying to do this same thing at home with a crew of 2. If that's the case then this scenario is probably far more likely to get you to your goal. As far as running the prodco, I've seen hundreds of people with sub 90 IQ's launch very successful businesses. I've seen guys that drink all day start a bar and become millionaires. I think that a talented and intelligent group of people like we are bringing together here has a real chance of succeeding at the business side of this. We shouldn't have to scramble for long, there is an overall plan and a formula to make this a reliable business.

As for the movie. It's going to be tough to make that happen. If it does, this project can be legendary, if not we still have a very good chance of putting ourselves in a much better position to try again. No experiment is a complete loss, we will learn a lot and progress as filmmakers no matter what happens.

Being able to forge relationships with people that can really help us will be the tie breaker here. Fortunately, I'm pretty good at that sometimes. We have a real chance here, and I reject the idea that failure is a foregone conclusion.

As far as Kholi saying, been there done that, I'm not so sure you have been where I'm going. Did you spend serious time and effort connecting with real estate tycoons and hedge fund managers? That's just a small fraction of a percent of what I plan to do this year. We have a lot of ideas that I don't think are so common as you are making out. Whether we win or loose is yet to be seen. It's my belief that the worst this thing can turn out is getting to live in a mansion with a lot of friends and having to work a regular job. That's the same thing I have now, except with friends and a mansion.

People make a lot of sport of my decision to buy the epic, and perhaps talk about it a little too much, but can you imagine how much less of a chance we'd have without it? Paying 2k in rental every time we got a 3k job. Or having to look every client in the eye and say, "we just have a 5d like everyone else, I can't promise you any better than any other qualified cameraman" Worst case scenario there, it's collecting rent money every week we're not using it. It made $2,700 this week. All we have to do is pay ordinary rent, and we'll actually be gaining ground passively from the very start. That's not such a bad deal.

 

[Kholi]

As far as Kholi saying, been there done that, I'm not so sure you have been where I'm going. Did you spend serious time and effort connecting with real estate tycoons and hedge fund managers? That's just a small fraction of a percent of what I plan to do this year. We have a lot of ideas that I don't think are so common as you are making out. Whether we win or loose is yet to be seen. It's my belief that the worst this thing can turn out is getting to live in a mansion with a lot of friends and having to work a regular job. That's the same thing I have now, except with friends and a mansion.

Like I said, been there, done that. I wouldn't say anything if I hadn't. The relationships that were forged were worth it.

At least from what you've told so far you've not outlined anything new in the process of raising a large amount of capital. Which is okay, because obviously you need to try what you need to try.

People make a lot of sport of my decision to buy the epic, and perhaps talk about it a little too much, but can you imagine how much less of a chance we'd have without it? Paying 2k in rental every time we got a 3k job. Or having to look every client in the eye and say, "we just have a 5d like everyone else, I can't promise you any better than any other qualified cameraman"

If you're getting hired for your gear you've already lost. Getting hired for talent and experience is money, Epic will be readily available to rent for your grandmother in the next two to three months, not to mention whatever Canon and RED's cooking for end of year release.

But, again, I think you already recognize all of this...

As for the movie. It's going to be tough to make that happen. If it does, this project can be legendary, if not we still have a very good chance of putting ourselves in a much better position to try again. No experiment is a complete loss, we will learn a lot and progress as filmmakers no matter what happens.

Judging from this statement. It's exactly the same thing I said when I first started the feature, because I know that I can't guarantee a single thing but finishing the venture.

To that end, going back-and-forth (as Joseph termed it) isn't beneficial to either of us, so as long there's nothing I need to respond to in Deathworld threads I won't bog it down with unnecessary posts any longer.

 

[Nate North]

I actually enjoy our little conversations, and I don't really harbor you any ill will. Feel free to contribute any time, but yes, it would be nice if I didn't get into a battle royale every time I tried to take a head count.

I do understand what you are saying, and I know success isn't a foregone conclusion either, but morale is important right now, and if people are turned away from the project by fear, it reduces all of our chances. For every member of the team we don't have on move in, rent goes up $100. Hopefully the margins don't end up that close, but I am trying to keep everyone in good spirits, with a positive outlook.

As for the red, It's definitely not going to hurt our chances. And as Cameron once pointed out, it's something that represents a solid marker of established quality. Our team will be what really determines quality, but I've found that clients go for "I have a giant gun" over "I have a small gun but I'm a really great shot" The latter may be a realistically better situation. But clients don't seem to spend a lot of time thinking about the reality of our jobs, so I make it simple for them.

 

[Nate North]

Returning to the original purpose of the thread:

My Equipment-

1 Red Epic camera

1 rendering server (dual xeon 16 core)

2 quad core desktops with 1 and 2 470 cuda cards respectively

1 dual core laptop

1 2405 pro monitor

1 23 inch 3d monitor

1 52 inch HD television

1 720p 2000 lumen projector

1 100 inch high reflectivity projection screen

2 xbox 1 ps3

4 128 gb ssd cards

gigabit lan hardware

about 10-15 grand worth of AE projects and Stock footage

About 2 grand worth of 3d models.

About 7 TB of HDD

An 88 key weighted piano keyboard

a custom built scalloped stratocaster

An ibanez prestige with midi pickups added

A pod pro modeling rack

2 speaker systems

Some ordinance, (that I don't want to disclose)

some preexisting clients

And a rebuilt Jaguar XJ-12

 

[Nate North]

sorry for the triple post, I'm writing these as fast as I can, so it's not intended to bump the thread at all, and should have no real effect.

The house itself comes with-

5 55 inch televisions

Full furniture

A furnished kitchen with pots and pans included

Greenskeeping, pool cleaning, and exterminator service included in rent already

1 digital projector of unknown type

An ADT security system

200 channel dish network

4G wireless internet

several beds and dressers

at least 2 jacuzzis

a pool table

a ping pong table

a BBQ grill

an intercom system

and some lawn furniture

 

[brianluce]

The house itself comes with-


Greenskeeping, pool cleaning, and exterminator service included in rent already

Exterminator service eh? That's for the crew members not cutting it? Trying to bury some unsavory terms in a long post again eh? You are so busted.