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Anybody else taking the doc challenge?

Good times.

If anyone else is taking part, let's exchange thoughts and strategies on here. Also, consider this an open-invite for anyone who wants to join Team Cracker Funk. Depending on the genre selected, there could be a need for researchers, fancy titles, who knows?
 
We've done it for the past few years, it's definitely fun. Haven't committed to it yet this year though, I have some issues with their rules that I want to see if we can work out first.
 
Depending on your topic, I have degrees that would technically make me an "Expert" ;) As well as quite a bit of working experience that would count as well.
 
Depending on your topic, I have degrees that would technically make me an "Expert" ;) As well as quite a bit of working experience that would count as well.

Nice! I hadn't considered the thought of sourcing an interview from outside of my location, but now that you mention it, if the subject-matter fits, you'd be great for an interview. Thanks!

ItDonnedOnMe, I've seen one your entries (the one about the hat shop) -- it's truly great. I'm curious -- what are the rules you're taking issues with?

dlevanchuk, documentaries are definitely an entirely different cup of tea. Only one way to find out how much you enjoy making them, though, right? I think of myself as a narrative filmmaker, but I have roots in doc-making, and I still enjoy it. Should you join, I'd be happy to throw some pointers your way.

Flicker, it's been slow for me a couple times, too. When you get through, though, I recommend checking out the finalists from past years. Some great stuff on there (including from our own ItDonnedOnMe).
 
ItDonnedOnMe, I've seen one your entries (the one about the hat shop) -- it's truly great. I'm curious -- what are the rules you're taking issues with?

Ownership/rights to the film. In the team leader agreement you basically grant the organizers the right to do what they want with your film, with the stipulation that any money made will be split. The agreement gives you the right to screen in festivals, but any other screenings require written permission. I hadn't re-read the agreement since we first entered 4-5 years ago so I wasn't aware of this clause.

Out of general principle we don't enter contests that require you to transfer the ownership of your film to the organizers - this is why we generally don't compete in things like the Doritos super bowl contests, etc. The wording of the doc challenge agreement is somewhat more vague than those generally are so I want to try and clarify exactly who owns the film.

This issue arose for us because we were a finalist last year and won a couple of awards in the competition. One of the sponsors - the Documentary Channel - selected a few of the winners to air on their channel. We were paid $300 and the film is currently airing once a week on the channel right now. Fine with me - until the doc challenge organizers asked us to take the film off the web for the next 2-3 years because of the agreement with the channel. I wasn't ok with that - I consider the web to be our primary form of distribution and promotion, and I'm simply unwilling to give up the rights to distribute our films online as we see fit, certainly not for $300. Problem was the deal had already been made and we basically had no say in it. The issue was never really resolved - after a few emails back and forth they stopped responding and I just kept the film up online (here if you haven't seen it: http://vimeo.com/20799569) but I'd like to resolve it before we commit to participating again.

I wouldn't discourage anyone else from entering though, this really comes down to our personal feelings about how contests should be run. Overall we've had a great time doing the doc challenge every year, I think we've done four films for it so far and I feel they're some of our best work in general. Our first year we were a finalist and won best directing & best cinematography (http://vimeo.com/5645639). Several of us went to Toronto for the premier at Hot Docs and had a blast - unfortunately we couldn't make it out to the festival last year. I certainly hope we'll get a chance to do it again, we'll see how things turn out.
 
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Website finally loaded, looks like a great event. I'm digging into editing a feature that we shot back in August 2008 (!) so that will be keeping me busy for the next few months, but good luck and all the best to those who get take on the challenge!
 
Oooh, I really want to do this. If I can find some friends to do it with then I might sign up :)

Oxford would be a pretty decent place for this sort of thing...
 
Oooh, I really want to do this. If I can find some friends to do it with then I might sign up :)

Oxford would be a pretty decent place for this sort of thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ALySsPXt0

ItDonnedOnMe, yep, "Four Pauls" is the one I've seen (multiple times, actually). Thanks for sharing your experience with the hassles and what not. Yeah, I agree -- that's ridiculous that they wouldn't want you to be able to show it online.

The link didn't work to your earlier video. I don't believe I've seen that one. Do you have a different link?
 
I think some friends and I (mainly 'I') are going to sign up to this.

In terms of subject matter: do you have something lined up in advance and then just tailor it to me the requirements of the organisers? Or do you start thinking once you know what the buzzwords are?
 
We generally try to come up with some possible subjects for the various possible genres the week before - although I think every time we've ended up finding our actual subject after the start of the competition.

For instance in last year's competition we got the 'historical' genre, and we didn't really have any good potential subjects lined up so we spent most of the first day tossing around ideas. I remembered reading a blog post about the hat shop a couple of months before and thought it might work well - but I didn't know the owners of the shop yet. Well, actually it turned out I did know one of them - but I didn't find that out until the day of the shoot! So I just went to the shop and asked if they were interested, they were, and we went from there. Shot all day Saturday, edited Sunday and Monday and shipped it off.

I have seen that one! Great work.

So, when's the feature-length doc coming out, and what is it about? Seriously, cuz I know you guys have one in the works, and I look forward to hearing about it.

Thanks! Our feature length doc is on target for an early summer release. It follows three political comedians (liberal/progressive) on a tour of the U.S. to places where some recent political controversy has occurred - Arizona for immigration, New Orleans with the aftermath of Katrina, New York with Occupy, etc. It looks at the role comedy (and the arts in general) plays in political movements, as well as trying to get a ground-level perspective of these national issues, all mixed with some stand up comedy. We shot it in the fall and started editing last month - it's a strange mix, but I think it'll be pretty unique because of it. We're premiering 30-40 minutes of material at a local comedy festival tomorrow night, so I'll know pretty soon if we got it right or need to go back to the drawing board.

And the doc challenge definitely has a role in our doing this film, although an indirect one. First off, doing it a few years in a row convinced me I wanted to do more documentary work, and secondly showing our recent doc challenge films to the comedians helped convince them we were the right ones to do the film. There's a lot of stuff we learned doing the doc challenge that we applied to the production of this film.
 
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Thanks! Our feature length doc is on target for an early summer release. It follows three political comedians (liberal/progressive) on a tour of the U.S. to places where some recent political controversy has occurred - Arizona for immigration, New Orleans with the aftermath of Katrina, New York with Occupy, etc. It looks at the role comedy (and the arts in general) plays in political movements, as well as trying to get a ground-level perspective of these national issues, all mixed with some stand up comedy. We shot it in the fall and started editing last month - it's a strange mix, but I think it'll be pretty unique because of it. We're premiering 30-40 minutes of material at a local comedy festival tomorrow night, so I'll know pretty soon if we got it right or need to go back to the drawing board.

And the doc challenge definitely has a role in our doing this film, although an indirect one. First off, doing it a few years in a row convinced me I wanted to do more documentary work, and secondly showing our recent doc challenge films to the comedians helped convince them we were the right ones to do the film. There's a lot of stuff we learned doing the doc challenge that we applied to the production of this film.

That's awesome! I look forward to seeing it.

Nick, I would definitely brainstorm ideas in advance. I'm a firm believer in following the rules of a competition, and it is clearly stated that no research can be done in advance. However, there is no rule against brainstorming potential ideas (in fact, Doc Challenge actually encourages it, via an email they send you after you've registered).

Me, I like to think of ideas that could fit into more than one genre (forces me to come up with less ideas). So far, I've only got one that's officially decided. I've got a friend who is very politically-active. She's one smart chick (and funny), and would make a great interview. So, if I draw either Social/Political Issue, or Biography/Character Study, she's my go-to. By the start of the competition, for every category I will have a subject-matter. I won't do any work, beforehand, but at least I have the subject decided.
 
Thanks, Ernest! :)

Annnnd, we're less than a week away! I ain't gonna lie -- I'm not even slightly prepared. Got much to do in the next week.

So, a small handful of people might recall that I started a blog, a long time ago, in which I was to detail my thoughts on documentary-making. I mustered a whopping one post, and it was mostly philosophical, not so much practical.

I think I should finally finish what I started, although it'll be in a much more abbreviated form. First, to qualify the following statements, my personal history in this medium -- I have a degree in Anthropology, and one of the subjects I focused heavily on was "Visual Anthropology" (making documentaries about people). That does not make me an expert. Quite the contrary, I'm very much a beginner in this field. I've actually only made a few short docs, and everything I'm going to advise is basically my best effort to regurgitate what was once taught to me.

Also, this is just one method, of which I'm sure there are millions (and millions more, waiting to be discovered). But it's worked well for me, thus far. :)

This method is for an interview-based documentary. So, I'll focus my comments on two issues -- conducting the interview, and editing the interview.

The Interview:

I'm gonna skip over some VERY important stuff, because I hope (in this forum) it is common-sense. Stuff like researching your subject. Duh. And finding good locations for audio, and setting up good lighting. I've had some really quality interviews ruined by crappy audio. I do have some thoughts on lighting and sound, but first...

In my opinion, the key to a great interview is in disarming your subject. Make them feel comfortable. It is impossible to make them forget that they are speaking on camera, but we should try our best to lessen this effect. The closer we can get this interview to being a regular conversation, the better.

One way to accomplish this more natural discussion is to just start an actual natural discussion, long before the camera is rolling. It helps if the conversation is taking place in a location in which our interviewee feels comfortable; you can start casual chit-chat about anything you see around their house (or wherever). You see an Xbox, and you start talking about games they play. You see a DVD collection, and you start talking about favorite movies. You see a fully-stocked kitchen, and you talk about favorite methods of cooking. Regular-ol' everyday conversation.

While conversing, the lights and audio are being set up. They should be as unobtrusive as possible. Make sure your interviewee is comfortable. Annnnnd, transition! Eventually, obviously, you gotta start talking about what you wanna talk about. No need to announce it, just let the conversation slide into it. People aren't stupid, though. Some might ask -- "Wait, so this is the interview now?" Doesn't matter, the psychological effect has already set in -- they're comfortably talking to you, and that's huge.

During the interview, you want to try your best to keep it a natural conversation. This isn't really possible, because of one major constraint -- you need to shut the fuck up! Let them talk, and you listen. So, all you really have is your face, and you should use that to engage with them. I don't mean you should be clown-like, or anything, but the same rules that apply to a normal conversation apply to an interview -- maintain eye-contact, react appropriately with facial gestures, etc. If you're looking at your list of interview-questions, or checking your camera, or anything else, that takes them out of the conversation.

One great pointer that has paid countless dividends to me is to let them finish their thoughts. You ask a question, they answer it. Normal conversational rules would dictate that it's now time for you to talk again. Shut the fuck up! Let there be an awkward pause. Use your acting chops -- pretend you're thinking their answer over, trying to figure out the next question. Whatever you do, don't make a peep. You'll be surprised how often the interviewee fills this awkward silence with an elaboration on what they just said. And it is these after-thoughts that so often produce the best footage.

Other than that, the obvious things to consider would be to think up not just a list of interview questions, but to anticipate possible answers, and possible follow-up questions.

Immediately after the interview is the best time to get a bunch of visuals. You can't have too much. Seriously. I've never had enough. Anything related to the subject, at all, you need to get it on camera. Get more than you think you need.

Editing the Interview:

The first step is to log your footage. This step is usually boring as hell (and time-consuming), but oh so necessary. It must be done, and you need to be thorough. Basically, you just watch your footage, in it's entirety, and take detailed notes. You should have a written transcript of every spoken word, in addition to any important visuals.

The funny thing about documentary-making is that the narrative is formed in post-production. In narrative filmmaking, the screenplay comes first. A documentary is more like a puzzle. You go out and get as many pieces as you can, then you figure out how to piece it all together. Needless to say, your puzzle is going to be a mess if you never even take a thorough inventory of what pieces you have. That is why it is 100% necessary that you do not skip-over logging of footage.

In the method that I use, you essentially write a screenplay, using sound-bites from the interview(s). After you've finished logging footage, you make a list of the sound-bites that jump out at you. In narrative screenwriting, it's advised that most lines of dialogue should be one or two sentences, at most. Same rule applies in documentaries. Keep your sound-bites succinct.

When you've got your list of sound-bites compiled, arrange them into groups that all fit together. And then, within those groups, arrange them, and re-arrange them, until they begin to form a meaningful narrative.

All of this is done before we even open our video editing software. Not until we have a clearly-defined narrative do we finally begin editing footage. At first, don't worry about visuals. Seriously, pay no attention. Edit to audio first. Create a narrative. Keep it tight, keep it flowing.

Once you've got that, you're golden. All you need to do now is plug in all the visuals so that you don't have a bunch of weird-looking interview-footage, rife with awkward jump-cuts.

And that's all I have to say about that. :)

So, me and Levanchuk are in. Anybody else?
 
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Oonh this is a gold nugget. I'm soo favoriting this. We have no idea how we re going to shoot this thing, but I have several locations in mind, plus interviewee living place.

Thanks for your advice, Joe!

Can't wait!
 
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