short film I worked on. The DoP was also the Editor. He insisted on dubbing most of the film. Now, although it sounds good, there is still few scenes where you can tell its dubbed...Do most editors prefer dubbing? is it better practice etc
Do most editors prefer dubbing?
is it better practice etc
Prefer? No.
It's one of those "it depends" questions.
it takes a lot more time in post production but it's easier to get high fidelity sound and tougher to get quality performance
short film I worked on. The DoP was also the Editor. He insisted on dubbing most of the film. Now, although it sounds good, there is still few scenes where you can tell its dubbed...Do most editors prefer dubbing? is it better practice etc
It's not the editors job to decide what dialog needs to be replaced; that's the job of the supervising sound editor - working in conjunction with the director, of course.
If it looks/sounds dubbed then either the ADR isn't right, the mix is at fault, or both.
It is NOT better practice, although it may be your editors preference.
you had one guy recording the sound and camera?
that explains why he wanted it all dubbed.
care to explain? excuse the ignorance, im a newbie
thanks guys for clearing that up
... instead of standing 10 inches away from the mic, why not stand 3 feet from it like you would have to do on set? This would allow you to at least get a similar sound from that type of mic, and a similar realistic distance from it.
Traditionally, if shooting sound for final product by choice, you would want one technical person dedicated to managing the sound
I think, at the no/lo budget level, we should avoid ADR if we can help it. I've done it once and it just sounds horrible. It sounds out of place. The tension in the voice is not the same. It just feels fake. Granted, the fault was mine, as I probably didn't do the ADRing correctly. But I wasn't and still am not, aware of the techniques they use to ADR properly. Maybe they show the actors the footage, the actual scenes, when they're ADRing. I didn't do that. I just recorded a conversation when two people were walking in the park. So I thought, there's probably nothing to it. And it just sounds ridiculous.
I think at our budget levels, it's better to get the sound during production. It's definitely a whole lot cheaper. So my suggestion would be to avoid it if you can.
First off, there's some confusion in terminology. Dubbing is when dialogue is recorded in a studio without reference to any existing audio recording. Either because production sound has not been recorded (filmed MOS), one or more words need to be changed or because the Dubbed dialogue needs to be in a different language. ADR (Automatic Dialogue Replacement) is, as the term would suggest, the replacement of the production dialogue, word for word, with reference to the production sound recordings. ADR is sometimes called "looping", an old film term (still in use) when short loops of film were actually used for the process.
This raises a question for Guanto; if you film MOS, how do you do ADR?
ADR is also virtually always a last resort and avoided where possible.
It should be noted that no one, least of all the Directors, do this out of choice!
In my 20 years in the biz, I personally have never come across an actor who liked ADR.
Ironically, on indie projects, it is almost exclusively the editor who is calling the director after sorting through all the source footage to say "Um... I hope are you familiar with ADR and please tell me you didn't throw away your cast contact sheet?"As Alcove mentioned, it would never be the decision of the picture editor as to where ADR would be employed.
On no/nano budget productions it's common to find just one person partially fulfilling all these roles, although a two person team is probably just as common.
by utilizing dialog wilds if the production had the good sense to do this.
Maybe they show the actors the footage, the actual scenes, when they're ADRing. I didn't do that. I just recorded a conversation when two people were walking in the park. So I thought, there's probably nothing to it. And it just sounds ridiculous.
I think, at the no/lo budget level, we should avoid ADR if we can help it. I've done it once and it just sounds horrible. It sounds out of place. The tension in the voice is not the same. It just feels fake. Granted, the fault was mine, as I probably didn't do the ADRing correctly. But I wasn't and still am not, aware of the techniques they use to ADR properly.
This depends on your situation. For example on my independent projects I would have to pay dearly for a sound crew if I wanted the best possibly in field audio (I try and set my bar high) because I am neither comfortable with the pressures of constantly managing it or not fcking it up, nor am I physically available to do it (directing and acting and producing and all). However I do have a not-too-shabby home studio from my past life and really excel at/enjoy being in that world - so for me it's bring on the free ADR sessions in a comfortable and controlled environment.I think at our budget levels, it's better to get the sound during production. It's definitely a whole lot cheaper.