Why do people prefer 60fps over 24?

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harmonica44

I like the 24 film look better. I have met three people where I live so far who I help make their movies, to gain experience. But they are all shooting their movies in 60p. One of them said 24 and 30 looks too jittery. One said he shoots 60 in case the potential distributor of his movie asks for it in 60, then he has that option. If he wants 24, he will just convert to 24 then. And the third one said that you have more frames in the editing to work with at 60p, so you have more options.

I don't really see that as much options, but just simply a lot more frames to go through. What do you think, is 60 becoming new 24 for indie filmmakers? To me it looks like porn, and I don't see why you would want your movie to like that, compared to a more cinematic style.
 
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That doesn't make much sense. Generally 60fps is seen as being more jittery. Why would a distributor want his film in 60fps? If it was for tv then you would want it in 60i.

And I 100% disagree with the more options comment. Your one other option is being able to make that shot in slow motion. I only will change to 60fps when shooting if I'm shooting sport where there is a high potential for random slo mo shots, or for a shot that I initially plan to have seen in slow motion
 
People don't prefer 60fps over 24.

Is this a joke thread?

Why would a distributor ask for films in 60 fps?
 
I agree that a distributor would not ask for 60 fps, it's just that the fellow filmmakers in my community, are all shooting in it, and that was one's reason. I just think it might hurt their projects since most people do not seem to like the look.
 
60 vs 30fps test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bwrEIbigwk
Doesn't look like a big whup diff to me.

H, shoot a test today.
 
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slow mo is all the rage? You do see lots of test\ glamour footage shot that way.. just slow enough to lend drama to rather boring stuff....lol
 
I don't like 60fps at all. It breaks the fantasy for me and takes me out of the story analyzing the motion quality.
 
FernandoAndre said:
Aren't you confusing 60i and 60p?
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Well two of the collaborators shot their stuff in 60i before, but the one is 60p. He said their is more options in the editing, the more frames you have. I asked him what he means by that and he says, slow motion and fast motion are more convincing in 60p. So he shoots the whole movie in 60p to give him those options, but also for the whole movie to look the same, in the shots, he does not want to add any effects to.
 
Just let them if they want to...
Why don't you ask them this question: they are the ones prefering it...

If you need slowmo: shoot 60 fps.

It seems they moved from 60i to 60p without knowing why...

This must be the 10th thread about framerate you started...

Go make something!
 
Well you do have slightly more options, but pre production planning should work out what you want instead of having to rely on that in post.

You're putting more strain on the post facilities, costing more to store the material and so on.

Distributors generally don't want 60p as most cinemas cannot present at that frame rate. Assuming you're talking about theatrical.
 
Yes they are aiming theatrically. But I feel 60p and 60i may hurt our projects, since to me anyway, it looks too much like porn, which is just not very cinematic stylistic. They said they will downsize to 24 later if need be, once they are done with post effects, such as slow motion, speeding up punches and kicks in fight scenes, etc.
 
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Next Test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB-H7Qy5ciA

IDK how computer screen refresh rates are affected by NTSC 29.97 fps limits, but this may be more of a shutter speed issue than a FPS issue.
 
One of the big downsides to 60p is the special effects. There are more than double the frames needed to work on. It can cause more work. Without a good reason, you should ask, is this smart?
 
Shooting 60p will fundamentally change the "look and feel" of the footage. Frame rate and shutter speed are the determining factors for the cadence of the "film look" that you've referred to in your deep focus posts. 60p isn't the future, I cringe everytime I walk through a store and they have that crisp motion junk turned on one of their TVs... looks plastic rather than the slightly dreamy quality I associate with cinema. I can see it as a conscious choice, but everything you are saying in all of your threads says you need to fire your DP and move on to (perhaps) running a camera yourself. That way, when you're on a set you're producing/directing and the DP pushes back, you can point and say "that light there with 1/4 CTB and a 1/2 spun... that light on a dimmer down to a 2:1... Kicker on the background with this GOBO at this angle to make those shelves pop and have some depth... f/16, crank it up to ISO1600, damn the torpedoes!"

Know their job by doing it and you'll better know what you can and cannot ask them for.

P.S... for the record, I'm glad you ask alot of questions... you're feeding the google monster for us and driving new folks here. Thanks. I do agree though, that perhaps you're growing too ambitious too fast and need to just shoot a bunch of stuff to learn, you'll learn as much in one project with feedback from here than you would with a thousand posted questions.
 
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