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Which ending for my script is better?

My script is a low budget crime thriller, about a cop who is on the race against time to stop a kidnapping for the first half. He and the other police fail to stop it, and the crooks end up stopping him by doing things to ruin his career and consequently, his personal life, and marriage are effected. He wants to avenge himself and the crimes committed by them for the last half of the script, it becomes an antihero's journey. There are two endings I thought out for this.

The first one involves a corrupt cop who has a moral crisis when he feels that his actions, although unintentional, lead to everything going wrong, and he wants to get out of corruption and perhaps even do something about it if he can. He tries to get out of corruption and turns the tables on the crooks, to escape, but ends up being killed at the end of the second act. This starts the third act, and the protagonist, not knowing the other cop was corrupt or anything, feels that he now has to avenge this death of an officer too, and becomes more desperate in his revenge.

His wife wants him back even but he decides he is a man of principle and that this is more important, even if it costs him his life.

The second ending, is that the hero fails his revenge quest and gets killed at the end of the second act, and the corrupt cop, while trying to get out, feels even more responsible, after the hero dies. This compels him to take over for protagonist and finish his revenge to honor him.

Both endings have pros and cons as I see it. The third acts are both the same, the main difference is, is that in the first one, you are along for the ride with the protagonist, who is a more compelling character since we have been with him the whole time, and he was innocent and non-corrupt, when terrible things were done to him. So we may agree with more with his revenge.

The pro to the second ending, is that even though the corrupt cop taking over the third act, is not as compelling, since he started out corrupt, and therefore may be a somewhat hypocritical. However, killing off the protagonist, gives him more of a reason to feel guilty of his actions and feels he has to make up for them; even more so than if it were switched the other way around for the protagonist.

The protagonist, may blame himself for the other cop being killed, not knowing it was out of the cop's own corruption, but it's not as much of a guilt trip, compared to the consequences being the other way around. Another con to the second ending, is that the corrupt cop is only in six scenes prior to this happening in the plot, and he has no loved ones, such as a wife, to make him have to choose his path, where as the protagonist does, especially since the wife plays a part in the story's themes earlier, so I have to keep her for him.

However, audiences may feel the writer has cheated by having an antihero journey thriller, and killing off the protagonist, at the end of the second act. They may think "what was the point?", even though, it causes another character to be even more guilt ridden, and wanting to finish the revenge.

Also, the audience may not as convinced that another character would want to take over the revenge, to the point where he too would give his life for it, even if feeling responsible.

So I guess it comes down to what is more of a interesting ending. The first ending is more emotionally attaching, since we follow the protagonist the whole way, along with his wife, to guide him and become a theme in his decisions. The second creates a new spin of consequences, on the story for a lesser character, but one who only is in six scenes prior and is not needed otherwise, beforehand.

What do you think?
 
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Next you'll tell me Star wars is a revenge story with Luke blowing up the Death star as payback for killing his buddy Ben. From memory, Tombstone is a story about duty, not revenge. I just don't remember the Departed, but I think it'd be a safe bet that you've misinterpreted this film too.


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I think Ben sacrificed himself when Luke could see it happen, so Luke would really hate Darth Vader and would want to be a jedi :P
 
Well other movies besides The Departed that I have seen that have done it are 15 Minutes and To Live and Die in L.A. Both those movies had another character take over the character's wishes after he was killed off.

But if for me, it will cause the audience to loose sympathy, than I will not do it, and stick to the original ending.
 
The Departed that I have seen that have done it are 15 Minutes and To Live and Die in L.A. Both those movies had another character take over the character's wishes after he was killed off.

Do you mean a Catalyst and/or Mentor?

What you're doing is hurting you and it's really sad you cannot see it. You're looking for monsters under your bed when they don't exist.

You're at the dangerous stage of writing. You don't know what you don't know. You should really sit down and just read a bunch of writing books and try to learn something instead of playing blind darts. At this point in time, you're one of those 100 monkeys that was given a typewriter. Pick up those books if you want any chance to succeed. You're misunderstanding the basic shit. If you're happy to fail, carry on.

The great thing about writing is anyone can do it. Just don't expect anyone to care about your work until you gain a clue and pull your head out of the sand.
 
In those movies, the person being killed off was more of a mentor, to the character taking over. The character taking over was more of a catalyst.

I got Save the Cat by Blake Snyder, which a lot of people are saying is a good book for writing. But I am not going with that ending, and will stick to the original. Is that a good book, or should I get something else?
 
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the person being killed off was more of a mentor, to the character taking over. The character taking over was more of a catalyst.

Why do you insist on saying stupid, ignorant shit? (Eg. Less contrast, I tell you, LESS contrast!)

Save the Cat

Save the cat is both a very good book and beyond you at the moment. You'll only waste your time. It's essential reading for anyone who's ready to take the plunge to become a professional writer. You'll get caught up going the wrong direction with anything that's aimed at creative and/or analytical thinking. Learn the writing process before you worry about the business side of writing.

should I get something else

Grab everything you can and read, read, read. The thing about writing teachers is some of their advice is great, some doesn't make any sense. It's all a matter of perspective. You have to use your brain and think for yourself. If you're not capable of doing that, you're going to be long dead before you write anything of quality.

Grab everything you can from John Truby, and Robert McKee. You need a wide range of knowledge and come to your own conclusions that work for you. Some of what they say is golden, some just doesn't work anymore.

You'll benefit from William Bernhardts string of books. He writes for novel writing, though, if you've got half a brain, you'll be able to work out how it applies to script writing. Second thought... maybe you shouldn't get these. You need to have half a brain to make any use of them. He also converted them into audio books.

Read The Hero's Journey. It's a pretty important foundation of adventure stories.

There are heaps of others but I personally think you'll get about as far in writing as you got with color grading. I think you're just wasting my time once again.
 
Sorry I do not mean to say ignorant shit, honest. I thought you were asking me in those movie examples, which character the mentor was, and which the catalyst was. I must have misunderstood the question. I really am not meaning to waste anyone's time hear, honest.

I was thinking a lot about how I copied other movies, and come to think of it, my script is kind of similar to Dirty Harry (1971). In that movie, Harry has to find out who a killer is, and save a woman's life, who has been captured. About two thirds into the movie, the woman is killed, Harry loses the case. After that Harry wants to go after the killer himself and does so, following him, making him uncomfortable, causing the killer to snap and do something that leads to his downfall.

However, does that movie do the same thing as mine? The first half, or almost two thirds if you time it right, is about a hostage situation, which ends in tragedy. The next remaining portion is getting revenge for what happened.

I also thought Tombstone was the same way. He tries to catch the bad guys, tragedy comes as a result, and he is propelled to kill them. Even if it's not revenge, and more of a law story, he felt he had to kill them in order to have justice, which is kind of similar, structure wise, isn't it? Before writing the script, I kept trying to break down 3 act structure, and a lot of people agreed that 3 act structure, has what is called an 'All Is Lost', or 'False Defeat'. In my script, that is what I intended, when I had the hero fail, half way through, kind of like Dirty Harry, or Tombstone.

Now I am not trying to prove anyone wrong here, cause I am not. I am just trying to figure out the difference, as to how I switched structures, and movies like Dirty Harry, kept the same structure, even though the first two thirds end in tragedy, and then become revenge, or wanting justice.

I am also going to purchase John Truby's 'The Anatomy of Story' then.
 
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Sorry I do not mean to say ignorant shit, honest.

I know you don't mean it. Speaking ignorant shit is your only talent you have to offer the world. I understand you must reveal it to the world at every opportunity, just in case you find someone with the need for it. This is exactly my reason for the use of "ignorant" as part my review of your opinion. What you said made no sense. It's like you saying to me, "I adjusted the focus on the camera by inserting the microphone in the pot of tea." You just don't know you're babbling shit.

I was thinking a lot about how I copied other movies

Stop. Just stop. Your powers of observation are about as sharp as a typical cockroaches ability to drive a car.

kind of similar, structure wise, isn't it?

Yeah sure. Why not. Hell, you're convinced you're right, so why bother stopping you. Go buy your ticket to the Titanic. You can live in your fantasy land. You can call it as similar. In truth it's about as similar as a can of drink compared to your cross-wired, misfiring mistake of an organ you call your brain.

You obviously desire failure. Maybe you're one of those masochistic sods who are afraid of success. You need to fail so.... carry on.

Add Syd Fields books to the list.
 
I don't want to get into an argument here, but for Sweetie, my examples of big names represented that until that part of the movie, they were considered to be the main character. Godzilla trailer sold a different take then what the movie was, and after the success of Breaking Bad, the studio went on to reshoot and give some more extra minutes to Bryan Cranston. So for those going in to the movie and until the point of his death it was thought that the films Protagonist would have been Father and son duo. So I guess it can be relevant
Again Deep Blue sea, The sharks are not the protagonist and every film has to have leads. I just re-watched the trailer and in the trailer nearly in every scene are Sam L Jackson and Saffron Burrows, giving the audience the feel that the two are the main leads. 15 minutes does this well by killing of the main character early and so does Hitchcock in Psycho.
As well as to consider that this is actual term used in movie making called False Protagonist/Decoy Protagonist. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DecoyProtagonist

Its just that Harmonica44 doesn't know how to explain his story better, but remember from my first post where I try and re-write his story in my words. and I write that the two cops are both main characters and both are investigating/ sabotaging the case. Perfect example which I forgot was "We Own the night" where the bad guy turns to be the good to save his family.
 
my examples of big names represented that until that part of the movie, they were considered to be the main character. Godzilla trailer sold a different take then what the movie was, and after the success of Breaking Bad, the studio went on to reshoot and give some more extra minutes to Bryan Cranston.

We won't call it argument. We'll call it a debate ;)

I believe it's important that writers understand the difference between a hook and a protagonist. Bryan Cranston was a hook. He was also the second largest name in the film, seconded to the monster itself. Bryan Cranston was the studios marketing hook and Godzilla was the intellectual property, much like Transformers.

I agree with you that the sharks are not the protagonist. I haven't seen the film, though I think you'll find that the protagonist is another character. Like in Casino Royale, Judy Dench was a bigger name, though Daniel Craig is obviously the protagonist.

What that all being said, you can do exactly what h44 is trying to do. Kill off his protagonist at the end of act 2. There are very large risks involved. It's not something that anyone without a firm grasp of what they're doing should attempt.
 
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