just look on ebay. i recently grabbed a Canon HF100 for $130, and it works/looks excellent. It has 24 and 30p, mic and headphone jacks, shoots in full HD, threaded front for attaching wide/fisheye/telephoto lenses, manual focus, a NON-touchscreen LCD screen (i don't know why all the camcorders are moving towards touchscreen lcd screens, it just makes you smudge up the screen that you need to see clearly). Anyways, if possible, grab up a Canon. especially in the low budget bracket, they have the best features.