They Don't Make Comedies Like They Use To

I started watching all of these old classic comedies over Christmas. I was watching Bringing Up Baby, The Philadelphia Story, The Talk of The Town, and His Girl Friday. One thing that I kept thinking while watching these films is that they don't make comedies like this anymore in the present day. Comedies since the 1980's with the introduction of the teen sex comedy genre, have been dumbed down to the point where even 4 years old would not find them funny. The comedies of the 30's and 40's have a structure to them and tell a story with likeable characters that you want to watch and root for. Some of the films such as The Philadelphia Story do have corny lines but I would argue that they are more outdated then corny and only appear corny because of the time.

But the structure and story arc are relevant and quite strong even for this day and age. Bringing Up Baby is my all time favorite screw ball comedy, in my opinion Katherine Hepburn is perfection. During the prison scene you can see her comic timing at work which is sheer perfection. Every comic who wants a lesson in comic timing needs to see Bringing Up Baby.

I think as a society we need ask ourselves how we have gotten to this place in film history. The film industry has changed so much so since the 30's and 40's, but it seems that cash is more important than entertainment. Notice I did not say art, I am not asking for art but a story and characters that can entertain us for an hour and a half or two hours should not be the exception in comic movies but it should be the norm.

Why do we need to go to the bathroom humor and the 4 year old mentality when we are creating a comedy? Some of the most simplistic plots usually are the best films in the end. Bringing Up Baby is very simple, girl meets boy story, girl tries cooky and strange things in order to keep boy near her. That is it but it involved a leopard named Baby and it is one of the more original movies I have ever seen.

The Philadelphia Story has themes of working class VS. upper class which is very relevant in this day and age. But the characters are so well written even Katherine Hepburn's character Tracy Lord is likeable even when she is acting like a goddess on her pillar looking down on the men around her. What I like about the Philadelphia Story is that the characters are flawed and they know they are, during the course of the film they face their flaws and their accept them or deny them.

The character of Tracy's fiancé, George never realizes Tracy's flaws, why because he has the same flaws that she does and when her behavior is found to be acceptable by him she realizes that she judges others so harshly and never allow others to be human. This is a great premise and theme for the film. You might think that this premise is a drama but it is a comedy. It is ok for comedies to have serious overtones. It does not have to be funny every minute of the film.

In fact the serious overtones makes the comedy that much more funny as it unfolds. I think in the present filmmakers are so scared of bring serious in their comedy that it becomes a film of comic moments are strung together rather then having serious overtones that give the characters some depth and let the comedy unfold on its own. Once filmmakers learn how to do this they will be able to create such wonderful comedies and will not only be popular but will have a strong story structure, likeable characters and great themes that can make the film a classic for years to come.

Rob Bettencourt
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I know what you mean. I loved comedies of the 90s the most. The 80s were cheesy, and the 2000s are just crude and immature, but the 90s were just right for me personally. I also think comedies are more sexist towards men nowadays then ever.
 
comedy sucked in the 80's, aside from Bill Murray.

the 30's and 40's were the worst era of comedy known to man.

Comedy is much better these days, and 80% of the funniest movies ever were made in the 90's
 
I agree with some of this and disagree with some.

There are some classic comedy directors from the studio era: Billy Wilder was a genius, as was Charlie Chaplin.

There have been some great comedy directors since then, such as Harold Ramis and Mike Nichols.

Yes, most comedies made today are juvenile toilet humor that I probably would have enjoyed more as a young teenager -- but that's exactly the target audience. Most adults I know rarely see films in the theater anymore, so why on earth would the studios produce films for adult audiences? They're in the business of making money.

A few funny adult-oriented flicks do get made via the independent route, they're just harder to find. A couple of recent faves are Woody Allen's Midnight in Paris and John Landis' Burke and Hare. Worth checking out if you've grown past poo-poo, pee-pee, farting and masturbation jokes.
 
Most adults I know rarely see films in the theater anymore, so why on earth would the studios produce films for adult audiences?

I think there's a bit of a "chicken or the egg" issue here - many adults don't see movies in the theater anymore because they don't feel that the movies are made for them. And since they don't go, movies aren't made for them.
 
Yes, most comedies made today are juvenile toilet humor that I probably would have enjoyed more as a young teenager -- but that's exactly the target audience. Most adults I know rarely see films in the theater anymore, so why on earth would the studios produce films for adult audiences? They're in the business of making money.



Name me one and I can name you ten more that aren't.... or explain to you in detail how it isn't juvenile or toilet related.
 
Name me one and I can name you ten more that aren't.... or explain to you in detail how it isn't juvenile or toilet related.

Please, name me ten recent comedies for intelligent adults. I'm dying for some good ones. We only occasionally watch comedies that sound juvenile when someone recommends them repeatedly to us. Almost without fail, they turn out to be exactly what we expected. So if you have some recommendations that might appeal to us, by all means let them fly!

I named a few great comedy directors from more recent decades. Here's a few more: The Coen Brothers, Robert Altman, Ron Shelton, Terry Gilliam, James L. Brooks. Sadly, not all are still around, and I'm sure I'm missing some obvious ones...
 
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I think there's a bit of a "chicken or the egg" issue here - many adults don't see movies in the theater anymore because they don't feel that the movies are made for them. And since they don't go, movies aren't made for them.

I don't know your age/family status, but I've been making films for quite a while. Trust me, box office receipts determine content. Old people like me are basically too busy/lazy/tired/broke to go to a bunch of movies anymore, especially when we can park our asses in front of the tube.

My peers constantly complain about the juvenile content of movies, so I ask them: How often do you go to the theater? Their answer: Rarely to never. That's not because there aren't movies to see - there are still quite a few adult-oriented films being released - just recently saw Argo and Lincoln, 2 very good films. They'd just rather wait for it to be released on video. It's sad. I grieve for my industry at times.
 
Please, name me ten recent comedies for intelligent adults. I'm dying for some good ones. We only occasionally watch comedies that sound juvenile when someone recommends them repeatedly to us. Almost without fail, they turn out to be exactly what we expected. So if you have some recommendations that might appeal to us, by all means let them fly!

I named a few great comedy directors from more recent decades. Here's a few more: The Coen Brothers, Robert Altman, Ron Shelton, Terry Gilliam, James L. Brooks. Sadly, not all are still around, and I'm sure I'm missing some obvious ones...

All comedy is for intelligent people, so your "For intelligent adults" comment doesn't make any sense. The only people in real life I've met that don't like Adam Sandler movies are morons who love the show Jackass. Before I list you ten, allow me to point out that The Coen Brothers are of a dramatic genre, with a slight amount of humor... Robert Altman is exactly the same way, Ron Shelton doesn't have a single good film on his list, Terry Gilliam doesn't do comedy anymore since Monty Python, and James L. Brooks has only made one comedy movie (Big) as far as I can tell. So since your list of comedy directors doesn't include any comedy, it'll be difficult.

So this is ten comedies, from the year 2011 and 2012 for intelligent adults (If you need me to explain every little detail of why they are intelligent and not "juvenile" I will...)

Wanderlust
The Watch
That's My Boy
The Campaign
This Is 40
Men In Black 3
Horrible Bosses
Arthur
Paul
50/50 (Though, since that is more of a drama, I have a back-up prepared:)
Tower Heist
 
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I don't know your age/family status, but I've been making films for quite a while. Trust me, box office receipts determine content. Old people like me are basically too busy/lazy/tired/broke to go to a bunch of movies anymore, especially when we can park our asses in front of the tube.

My peers constantly complain about the juvenile content of movies, so I ask them: How often do you go to the theater? Their answer: Rarely to never. That's not because there aren't movies to see - there are still quite a few adult-oriented films being released - just recently saw Argo and Lincoln, 2 very good films. They'd just rather wait for it to be released on video. It's sad. I grieve for my industry at times.

It seems as if you just don't like comedy as a genre.

If your peers can't stand a comedy that actually contains jokes, not just irony, then they really shouldn't be a judge on comedy. It's actually insulting to me that you say no recent comedies are for adults or that they're "juvenile." Juvenile humor is a corny joke you would see Pewee Herman or somebody like that do.

And I apologize for this, but swear words and the occasional sexual pun are going to happen, because that's how people talk in real life. Blah blah blah, what's the world coming to, etc. etc. It's maturing. It shows a greater sign of maturity in the younger generations that they don't get uptight about material that would've caused a religious riot back in your day.
 
The only people in real life I've met that don't like Adam Sandler movies are morons who love the show Jackass. Before I list you ten, allow me to point out that The Coen Brothers are of a dramatic genre, with a slight amount of humor... Robert Altman is exactly the same way, Ron Shelton doesn't have a single good film on his list, Terry Gilliam doesn't do comedy anymore since Monty Python, and James L. Brooks has only made one comedy movie (Big) as far as I can tell. So since your list of comedy directors doesn't include any comedy, it'll be difficult.
I'm going to guess, in light of some of your previous IT posts, that you're just trying to pick a fight and aren't really as dumb as this quote makes you seem. Sorry, but I have better things to do than let myself get dragged down to that level.

As far as your list, I'm going to take it seriously:

Wanderlust - This actually sounds interesting to me. I've heard good and bad about it, but plan to give it a shot.

The Watch - Just looked this one up. Could be funny, but I've yet to laugh at anything Ben Stiller has done - occasional amused chuckle, at best. Still, I tend to give him a chance.

That's My Boy - It's interesting, back when Adam Sandler was on Saturday Night live, I used to tell my wife, "This guy could be a huge movie star." I even wrote a part for him in one of my scripts. Then he became a huge movie star, but has done mostly juvenile stuff like this. Punch Drunk Love was great, but he was working with a genius director. It's disappointing, because I still think he's got fantastic charisma. Just wish he'd spread his wings more often.

The Campaign - This one is like The Watch in that it sounds intriguing, but I've been burned so often by inflated expectations from Will Ferrell movies. Still, I like the guy and I think he's very smart and talented. Might watch this if it happens to fall in my lap.

This Is 40 - In all honesty I should give Judd Apatow a chance. I read an interview with him in the most recent WGA magazine and, like Will Ferrell, he sounds like an intelligent guy. The only thing he's done that I've actually seen is The 40 Year Old Virgin. It's one of those I mentioned that was recommended time and time again by friends, so I finally sat down and watched it. I only got through about three-quarters of it before finally switching it off - grew tired of the juvenile humor. But I realize he's probably come a long way since then and I ought to give him another chance.

Men In Black 3 - I've actually seen this one! And liked it! Barry Sonnenfeld is one of those guys that should have been on my list of great comedy directors. The Men In Black movies are a bit juvenile, but I can go along with them because they're just clever enough to pull it off.

Horrible Bosses - This one I know absolutely nothing about, but I just looked it up on IMDb and it sounds intriguing. Might well give it a shot.

Arthur - This is a remake of the classic, apparently. It's got Helen Mirren, which is a big plus. But the reviews are horrible. Pretty big shoes to fill. Doubt I'll be happy with this one.

Paul - Another one I've seen! And enjoyed! See Men In Black 3, above.

50/50 - Another one I know nothing about, but looks like it could be interesting.

Tower Heist - I've seen this one, too. Had high hopes for it but wound up disappointed. I would NOT call this one juvenile, it just didn't live up to its potential. Not a bad movie, though.

I want to say thanks for the recommendations. Some I will definitely look into.
 
I call bullshit. If you think there isn't good comedy any more, I think you're either not aware of how many awesome movies are being made these days, and/or you're looking at the past with rose-colored glasses.

The Cabin in the Woods
Moonrise Kingdom
21 Jumpstreet
Pitch Perfect
Ted

Comedy is hard to do. Filmmaking is hard to do. But people are still doing it, and doing it well! :D
 
Please, name me ten recent comedies for intelligent adults. I'm dying for some good ones.

It all depends on what you call "recent."




I'm a huge fan of Frank Capra. He made some of the best comedies and feel-good movies of the 30's and 40's. And if you bother to dig underneath all of the marshmallow fluff of "Capra-Corn" there's a simple message.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001008/

One of my favorite "sex farce" films is "Victor/Victoria." Great director, fantastic cast.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084865/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Does satire count? If so, one of my favorites is "Being There." In some ways, the film is better than the book. I guess that makes sense, as the author, Jerzy Kosinski, wrote the screenplay.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078841/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Very politically incorrect these days, but "Blazing Saddles" is another comedy high on my list.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071230/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Another spoof I really like is "Galaxy Quest."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0177789/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Sometimes even a kids film can really be good one for adults. I admire Disney for having the courage to spoof itself with "Enchanted."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0461770/


I'm not a fan of "gross-out" comedy or "sex" comedies (meaning that it's just a lot of "dick jokes" plus opportunities for lots of T&A). I thought that "Borat" was a very unfunny movie. Yet I laughed my ass off watching "The Hangover." A hairline of difference, perhaps, but I thought the latter was smart and clever, the former just crass. I guess I'm showing my age more than anything.
 
It's all really subjective. Comedy is one of those things. I really enjoyed Step Brothers and a lot of Will Ferrell's films, though some are pretty average. Comedy is different today than it was a long time ago. Today's comedy tends to come from a place where being as sexually explicit as you possibly can, and saying the F word at least 400 times is somehow meant to be funny, simply because... I don't know, because we're meant to find it funny that a movie is allowed to say such things? Don't get me wrong, I'm not one who hates comedy, or comedy films, and I've laughed at many good highly offensive comedians and comedy films.
I just think it starts to get a bit old when comedy for the past 13-15 years has been about swearing and being sexually explicit. An expletive is not funny, simply for the fact that it's an expletive.

That said, there are some really funny films, both explicit and not.

comedy sucked in the 80's, aside from Bill Murray.

the 30's and 40's were the worst era of comedy known to man.

Comedy is much better these days, and 80% of the funniest movies ever were made in the 90's

Are you really telling me that films like Airplane!, Top Secret, The Naked Gun etc. sucked?

You're forgetting that movies of these eras were made when everything was different. If you're used to Judd Apatow films, or American Pie movies or Seth MacFarlane, then you're not going to find movies of the 30's all that funny, because it's a different kind of comedy. It was a time when you couldn't swear in a movie. So, the movies aren't awful, and the comedy is not bad - I'm sure in 30 years time people will look back and say 'god the comedy of the 90's, 00's and 2010's sucked'
 
"Victor/Victoria."
"Being There."
"Blazing Saddles"
"Galaxy Quest."
"Enchanted."
"The Hangover."

Great choices, Alcove! Agree with every one! :cool:

And Cracker Funk, I just looked up 21 Jump Street and learned that it was rated the #1 comedy of last year by both critics and audiences. Had no idea! Definitely gonna check that one out!
 
21 Jump Street is hilarious!

The other thing about comedies is that it definitely matters what environment you're watching it in. This is the main reason I try as best I can to catch the Thursday-night midnight premiere. Regardless of the genre, the group-experience cannot be discounted. But particularly for comedy, you want to see that movie with a whole bunch of other people whom are ready to laugh. You don't need to see it on that Thursday midnight premiere, but if you don't catch it on opening weekend, you've likely missed-out. A lot.

There's an Oscar-nominated movie that I left off my list. I left it off for the sole reason that if you didn't catch it with an early, excited crowd, you didn't get the full experience. Django Unchained is funny as shit. I laughed my ass off during that movie. I guarantee the same experience can't be had in a lonely theater or on DVD.

At the same time, select any two-year period from the 70's or 80's, then try to name how many awesome comedies there were. There weren't that many. You're schmushing a bunch of years together, remembering things better than they actually were.

Movies are doing better than fine. Y'all just gotta pull your heads out of the sand. :D
 
I love Bringing Up Baby a lot, too.

Yeah, movies like that, made back then, did have a lot of witty banter. Another one I recently saw was My Man Godfrey. Also quite good. Part of the difference is that Hollywood was censored back then (more than it is today). So films like Bringing Up Baby sort of had to rely on witty dialogue and slapstick etc. The culture has changed. Those calling the shots have changed. The Hays Code and the Catholic League have been replaced by the MPAA film rating system. With the counter-culture and the sexual revolution helping to make that happen. So while profanity and nudity and sex do not necessarily equal funny, I'm always glad that filmmakers are free-ish to include them and that we are free-ish to hear and to see them.

I'm not a big fan of comedy, for what it's worth. Straight comedies are usually just too saccharine and meaningless for me. Instead of making me feel happy, they make me feel sad. I usually need a comedy to also be a drama, to have some heart. There are exceptions, like the Monty Python movies, the Kids in the Hall movie, Airplane, etc.

I had to look up a list to figure out what comedies from the 2000s I liked.

Wikipedia: Comedies of the 2000s

Oops, I haven't seen most of these, heheh.

Drats, the list only goes to 2009. Wth?

Best in Show
Happy Accidents. I think I saw and liked it. But barely remember it.
High Fidelity
Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?
I don't remember The Whole Nine Yards being too bad.
Hedwig and the Angry Inch
Monsters, Inc.
Novocaine
Ocean's Eleven
About Schmidt
Adaptation
Austin Powers in Goldmember
The Good Girl
My Big Fat Greek Wedding
Punch-Drunk Love
Elf
Finding Nemo
Lost in Translation
Matchstick Men
A Mighty Wind
Pirates of the Caribbean
School of Rock
The Triplets of Belleville
Bridget Jones
Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle
Napolean Dynamite
Ocean's Twelve
Sideways
The 40-Year-Old Virgin
Broken Flowers. It was okay, but I was hoping for more too.
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Loved it.
Madagascar. It has its moments.
Mr. & Mrs. Smith. It was okay.
Tim Burton's Corpse Bride. It was okay.
Wedding Crashers. I forgot about this one. I think it was actully pretty funny.
Little Miss Sunshine
Night at the Museum was not too bad.
Shortbus
Talladega Nights had some laughs, though one of those pretty saccharine movies.
Balls of Fury, though I barely remember it.
POC At World's End
Ratatouille
Superbad
WALL-E
Hancock wasn't too bad
Pineapple Express. Loooooved it.
Tropic Thunder. Tom Cruise stoled it whenever he was on screen.
Ghost Town. Very nice.
In Bruges
Miss Pettigrew Lives for a Day. Very nice, indeed.
Vicky Cristina Barcelona. Very nice.
Zack and Miri Make a Porno
Forgetting Sarah Marshall
What Just Happened
(500) Days of Summer
Funny People. Not so bad.
Julie & Julia
The Hangover
Hot Fuzz

**** list ends and I am lost.

Oh, one of the last ones I can remember seeing this past year is

Seeking a Friend for the End of the World. Love it.

What else can I recall that wasn't on the Wikipedia list?

It's Complicated was good.

The Invention of Lying. Loved it.

What else?

I really like your mentions, Alcove.

It's insane to dismiss the whole of the 1980s.

Wikipedia: Comedies of the 1980s

Oh boy, not going to go through all of them too. But at a glance I can see a bunch of good movies from that decade.
 
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I have to say, as above, comedy is very subjective. Some are very good, some are very bad. I’ve never seen an Adam Sandler film I liked (so I’m a moron), Ben Stiller is slightly more likeable. I found ‘Borat’ to be one of the funniest films I’ve ever seen, whilst I found ‘The Hangover’ pretty much, completely un-funny. Each to their own…

One film I’m really looking forward to this year is ‘Monsters University’. The teaser is hilarious. Oh… ‘Toy Story 3’ has got to be one of the funniest films of recent years.

And I finally got to watch Django Unchained last night, in a packed out screen. There were times when people were practically rolling in the aisles.

“You silver-tongued devil, you”
 
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