The Forbidden Remake

Ramboshaw

Ramboshaw

It seems like in this day and age of film, we're getting slaughtered with terrible remakes. Most, at least. I was thinking to myself the other day, what would be some fantastic films that you could absolutely not remake today?

"The Godfather" was the first that came to my mind. Because you can't recreate those actors, if nothing else, even.

Another one that came to mind was "Psycho", but then again, Gus Van Sant did that shot-for-shot remake. I love Gas Van Sant, personally, but hated the remake. Some art cannot be duplicated.

What are your thoughts? What are classics that could not be perfected with a remake?

-Jesse
 
Scarface .. Al Pacino carved his name into this film, literally is one of the best films for me that couldn't be reproduced by any director or actor EVER
 
The Forbidden Remake
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Came expecting exciting Clive Barker news; left disappointed.
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mlesemann said:
Casablanca.
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Agreed completely. I heard rumor of a Casablanca 2 film happening "potentially" (I doubt it would happen, there would be too many fans ready to assassinate whoever had the concept of it), and that scared me like no tomorrow. Somethings just have to be left the way they are. I guess that's the reason the Mona Lisa is priceless, but a photocopy would be worth cents.

Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman couldn't be replicated, even with a worldwide casting call-out.

-Jesse
 
Star Wars IV, V & VI
Any of the Star Trek films. Just... leave the stories we have alone. Keep making new ones.
Indiana Jones
Pulp Fiction
The Incredibles
Kung Fu Panda
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There also needs to be list of suggested "Films that SHOULD BE remade."
I'll nominate PROMETHEUS first. ;)
Night of the Living Dead, with a budget + a good director.

Would be interesting to see what could be done with JAWS with either a working practical effect or non-cr@ppy CGI.
Maybe in another twenty years. Maybe.
 
rayw said:
Star Wars IV, V & VI
Any of the Star Trek films. Just... leave the stories we have alone. Keep making new ones.
Indiana Jones
Pulp Fiction
The Incredibles
Kung Fu Panda
Amelié


There also needs to be list of suggested "Films that SHOULD BE remade."
I'll nominate PROMETHEUS first. ;)
Night of the Living Dead, with a budget + a good director.

Would be interesting to see what could be done with JAWS with either a working practical effect or non-cr@ppy CGI.
Maybe in another twenty years. Maybe.
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This got me thinking, has there ever been an animated movie that was remade? I just can't think of any.

Prometheus was an excellent movie, I thought. So many disagree, though, but I get that. The storyline needed sonething else (didn't like the 'gods' factor at all), but visually and suspense-wise, Ridley really made some dynamite.
 
I would never want to see either a remake or sequel to Back to the Future. (with sequel i mean a fourth movie).

Also, my ultimate forbidden remake would be The Goonies.
 
8salacious9 said:
Scarface ..
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You realize, of course, that "Scarface" was a remake, right? Howard Hawks directed Paul Muni in the 1932 original.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0023427/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2

Of course, they shouldn't remake "Ben Hur" (1959) but that was a remake as well (1925).


Ramboshaw said:
I heard rumor of a Casablanca 2...
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One version is Ilsa and Victor meet Rick (who was rumored to have been killed) after the war. Ilsa has had a child; it's Rick's, of course. Should she tell Victor and Rick? Who will she stay with? The "modified" version is Victor was killed in the war; the kid is Rick's, should she tell him...

Another version is the adventures of Rick and Louis during the war; the modified version is Victor asks Rick and Louis to join him on a mission...


Future generations won't understand the mystique of many films we hold sacred, just as a lot of you young folk don't understand the mystique of many of the films I love, just as I didn't understand the mystique of many of the films my parents loved.

And they'll all get remade eventually - the good remakes will happen when the cinema experience becomes holographic. :D:D
 
mlesemann said:
Casablanca.
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Definately. Don't want that either. Or The Godfather. Maybe forty years from now, maybe it'd be all right..maybe. Likely I'll be dead then, anyway, etc.

Zensteve said:
Came expecting exciting Clive Barker news; left disappointed.
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rayw said:
Star Wars IV, V & VI
There also needs to be list of suggested "Films that SHOULD BE remade."
I'll nominate PROMETHEUS first. ;)
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Rayw, you just a stirrer, ain't you? A provocateur. =P

rayw said:
Would be interesting to see what could be done with JAWS with either a working practical effect or non-cr@ppy CGI.
Maybe in another twenty years. Maybe.
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Oh no you di'n't!

Maybe in....hmmmm........fifty years...that would be all right...maybe.


Alcove Audio said:
You realize, of course, that "Scarface" was a remake, right? Howard Hawks directed Paul Muni in the 1932 original.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0023427/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2

Of course, they shouldn't remake "Ben Hur" (1959) but that was a remake as well (1925).




One version is Ilsa and Victor meet Rick (who was rumored to have been killed) after the war. Ilsa has had a child; it's Rick's, of course. Should she tell Victor and Rick? Who will she stay with? The "modified" version is Victor was killed in the war; the kid is Rick's, should she tell him...

Another version is the adventures of Rick and Louis during the war; the modified version is Victor asks Rick and Louis to join him on a mission...


Future generations won't understand the mystique of many films we hold sacred, just as a lot of you young folk don't understand the mystique of many of the films I love, just as I didn't understand the mystique of many of the films my parents loved.

And they'll all get remade eventually - the good remakes will happen when the cinema experience becomes holographic. :D:D
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Totallly agree about Ben Hur. It's one of the great films. And really, how likely is it that they could pull that off today?

I'm not entirely hostile to Casablanca sequels. Those scenarios you listed actually sound pretty interesting. It's just, what are the chances any of us who love the original would find them acceptable? And what production company or professionals would want the pressure or the heat if they made crap? And yeah, who the hell could fill Bogart's or Bergman's shoes?

Although, you know, I rather consider The White Countess to be sort of like a remake or an update of Casablanca, and I love that film. It's one of my favorites...no doubt largely because it captures some of the same magic that Casablanca had/has. That may be the only way to respectably remake or update Casablanca...sort of not a direct update, but sort of in the vicinity and from the side, like. So in a way, I sort of consider Casablanca to already have been updated, and quite successfully, actually.
 
richy said:
Rayw, you just a stirrer, ain't you? A provocateur. =P Yeah. Pretty much. :)



Oh no you di'n't! Oh, YES! I DID!

Maybe in....hmmmm........fifty years...that would be all right...maybe. Even better, 'cept I'll be dead by then, so I was shooting for a "sensible" time frame. :P
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Remaking "Casablanca" would be on the same terms of remaking "Citizen Kane" or something moronically similar. I mean, some films we respect because of the time they were made in, what had been done and what hadn't been done before. Like Psycho, as has been mentioned here. Psycho is excellent because it pushed every boundary a film could in its day. Hitchcock was the puppet master. Now, everything is about excess. It tries to push the film boundaries. If Example A only used 100,000 buckets of blood, let's use 100,001 buckets. Hell, let's throw in an orgy that gets the buckets dumped on them (in the studio, Phil is promoted for his genius wisdom). People watching Psycho in 1960 had near strokes from the terror. You just can't remake the social aspects of what is acceptablity. By 2020, Avatar will be a punch line, ready for "Phil" to remake.
 
Ramboshaw said:
Hell, let's throw in an orgy that gets the buckets dumped on them...
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I'd pay good money to see that.

That reminds me of the outstanding Angel Heart. It's hasn't been in my top ten, for whatever reason. (Maybe it's too creepy). But I gotta think it'd at least make my top 100. Anyway, it didn't have an orgy scene with blood being dumped on the orgyees. But it did have a rather energetic love scene with one couple in which blood rained down on them. The wonderful MPAA gave it an X-rating. But not, apparently, for the sex or the nudity, but for the blood, as the story goes (I've always remembered Siskel & Ebert explaining this on the TV). In order to get an R-rating, they had to cut a few seconds or minutes of the blood rain, or something. That is to say, as I recall Ebert explaining it (hopefully I recall correctly), the MPAA felt that the blood rain made the scene too intense for us poor wittle movie going public, so they felt a resposibility and a need to censor it, for our protection, of course...our psyches couldn't take such an assault, you know.
 
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richy said:
I'd pay good money to see that.

That reminds me of the outstanding Angel Heart. It's hasn't been in my top ten, for whatever reason. (Maybe it's too creepy). But I gotta think it'd at least make my top 100. Anyway, it didn't have an orgy scene with blood being dumped on the orgyees. But it did have a rather energetic love scene with one couple in which blood rained down on them. The wonderful MPAA gave it an X-rating. But not, apparently, for the sex or the nudity, but for the blood, as the story goes (I've always remembered Siskel & Ebert explaining this on the TV). In order to get an R-rating, they had to cut a few seconds or minutes of the blood rain, or something. That is to say, as I recall Ebert explaining it (hopefully I recall correctly), the MPAA felt that the blood rain made the scene too intense for us poor wittle movie going public, so they felt a resposibility and a need to censor it, for our protection, of course...our psyches couldn't take such an assault, you know.
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That's ridiculously funny. Oh, man. I swear, the MPAA just makes me want to shit and giggle all day long. On that topic itself, I remember watching the behind-the-scenes for Zac and Miri Make a Porno, and how the MPAA was off their rockers because of the scene where the chick takes a shit on the camera man. They just couldn't handle it, was too much for them. Whereas the whole movie is about sexual references and nudity, the thing they couldn't get over was the shit-in-the-face. I don't know, man. If I was Kevin Smith, I'd probably have a hernia from laughing at them. But hey, what can you do, right?

It's remarkable that there is actually a movie with an orgy getting blood spilt on them.

I'm speechless.
 
I actually liked the remake of Fright Night. But I say snatch. Oceans 11. Clue. Donnie Brasco. Lethal Weapon. Die Hard. American Beauty. Mrs. Doubtfire. Superbad. The Kings Speech. Fight Club. Inception. Austin Powers. Those are some of the movies I have that cannot be remade with different actors.
 
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