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Super 16 Lenses on Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera
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Hi RJB -
I have seen very good results with the Angenieux 17-50 PL and filconvert: http://vimeo.com/80294710
These old lenses are expensive, though. This Angenieux 17-68 f2.2 Super 16 lens is $999 plus $19.99 for shipping.
Buying filmconvert or osiris film LUTs (or downloading the free Captain Hook LUT) will be a lot less expensive than buying Super 16 lenses.
The great thing about the BMPCC is that there is so much quality glass for it.
One of my new heroes is Kofa, down there in LA where you are, and he shot this in ProRes with a $425 Canon EF 28mm f1.8 with a $598 active EF to MFT adapter (Captain Hook LUT): http://vimeo.com/80242491
This one looks pretty filmic too, and it was shot with a $405 Panasonic 14-45 and graded with Captain Hook: http://vimeo.com/80250555
If you really want cine lenses with manual aperture control, you can get the equivalent to a set of expensive 24mm 35mm and 50mm cine primes for less than $1300 with a $269 Rokinon 7.5mm f3.5, a $599 SLR Magic 12mm T1.6 Hyperprime and a $499 Rokinon 16mm T2.2 cine lens for about the same price as a single Super 16 lens.
Here is what the BMPCC can do with a $269 Rokinon: http://vimeo.com/76290973
Hope this is helpful and Happy Thanksgiving!
Bill
I have seen very good results with the Angenieux 17-50 PL and filconvert: http://vimeo.com/80294710
These old lenses are expensive, though. This Angenieux 17-68 f2.2 Super 16 lens is $999 plus $19.99 for shipping.
Buying filmconvert or osiris film LUTs (or downloading the free Captain Hook LUT) will be a lot less expensive than buying Super 16 lenses.
The great thing about the BMPCC is that there is so much quality glass for it.
One of my new heroes is Kofa, down there in LA where you are, and he shot this in ProRes with a $425 Canon EF 28mm f1.8 with a $598 active EF to MFT adapter (Captain Hook LUT): http://vimeo.com/80242491
This one looks pretty filmic too, and it was shot with a $405 Panasonic 14-45 and graded with Captain Hook: http://vimeo.com/80250555
If you really want cine lenses with manual aperture control, you can get the equivalent to a set of expensive 24mm 35mm and 50mm cine primes for less than $1300 with a $269 Rokinon 7.5mm f3.5, a $599 SLR Magic 12mm T1.6 Hyperprime and a $499 Rokinon 16mm T2.2 cine lens for about the same price as a single Super 16 lens.
Here is what the BMPCC can do with a $269 Rokinon: http://vimeo.com/76290973
Hope this is helpful and Happy Thanksgiving!
Bill
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Take note: This is in reference to the Blackmagic Cinema Camera, not the Pocket camera.
I've seen the Pocket camera with S16 glass on it and it works well.
I personally prefer Zeiss Superspeeds (or Ultra 16s), or the cine zooms from Zeiss, Angeniuex or Canon, all of which are going to cost at least 5x the cost of the camera itself.
Thanks, jax. I left out "real" cine lenses in MFT (and PL) mount because they cost so darned much, but I guess renting them wouldn't be a bad option
Cheers,
Bill
i think im gonna get the Angenieux, do you think its a good choice?
If you're getting this one for $999, be careful - it's Arri STD converted to a PL mount, so you'll need either an Arri Standard to MFT or a PL to MFT adapter.
And, no matter what the eBay seller says, you'll want to have a used lens professionally cleaned and aligned, which will cost you money.
It's also going to be too long and heavy to use without rails.
Too much hassle for me. For about the same amount of money, I would get the three MFT cine lenses I recommended above. No adapters, and the Rokinons will give you results not too far from what you'll get from a $4000 Zeiss: http://vimeo.com/60403003
Good luck!
Bill
damnit its such a hard choice now, i really like the look Angenieux compared to the other videos, i think it would look perfect for the style of films i want to make. can you recommend a rail system to use with it? thanks for the help
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This may help. Here is the Angeniuex 17-68mm f2.2 Super 16 lens on the BMPCC shooting ProRes, and it doesn't look "filmic" at all: http://vimeo.com/76667011
With these cameras, it is the grade, more than the glass, that creates the "look".
If you buy the Rokinons (or any other decent lens) and use filmconvert or Osiris LUTs, you should be able to get the look you want.
Again, hope this is helpful!
Bill
Hi Craig -
The angle of view (field of view) of a 17mm lens on a full frame still camera is 93.3 degrees. The angle of view of a 17mm lens on a Super 16 camera (e.g., the BMPCC) is 38.7 degrees (equivalent to a 51mm lens on a full frame camera).
You can do these calculations yourself with the AbelCine FOV calculator: http://www.abelcine.com/fov/
Does that make sense? Hope this is helpful!
Cheers,
Bill
I like to think of it the same way I always have from the S35 and S16mm film days.
A 17mm lens on a S16 sensor (or film) will equate to ~34mm S35 FOV equivalent. Most prime sets for S16mm would/do come with a 9.5mm, 12mm, 16mm, 25mm, 50mm which roughly equate to a S35 equivalent of 19mm, 24mm, 32mm, 50mm, 100mm lenses respectively. The lens characteristics stay the same, which is why you traditionally get more DOF on S16 film/sensor.
K, I wasn't sure if the whole "35mm is the standard" applied to lenses designed for chemical film cameras. I thought it might have just been something introduced as applied to 35mm SLR lenses as DSLRs started introducing a plethora of different sized sensors.
I guess it was actually a pretty stupid question, after all, the focal length is the distance from the convergence point to the vertex of the first optical element... really has nothing to do with what's happening behind that convergence point. Duh.
Thanks,
CraigL